Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/COVID-19 pandemic in the Commonwealth of Independent States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 20:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic in the Commonwealth of Independent States

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The Soviet Union ceased to exist nearly three decades before the COVID-19 pandemic, and it doesn't make sense to have an article which consists of a list of ex-Soviet countries and summarises the pandemic in these countries Starzoner (talk) 21:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The article is about the pandemic in the nations of the Commonwealth of Independent States, which very much exists today, not about the Soviet Union. Zoozaz1 (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment When the article was entitled COVID-19 pandemic in the post-Soviet states I had nominated it for deletion based on the same rationale as this nomination. If the article can be improved on how the Commonwealth of Independent States as an entity is dealing with COVID-19 (eg. something along the lines of European Union response to the COVID-19 pandemic) I would support retaining it, but as it stands it's just a list of countries with a short summary of the pandemic in each country. On this basis, we could also have articles on virtually any international entity/regional organisation, for example:
 * COVID-19 pandemic in the Commonwealth of Nations
 * COVID-19 pandemic in the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States
 * COVID-19 pandemic in the Union of South American Nations
 * The CIS article or the ones mentioned above shouldn't exist if they don't deal with how the entity/organisation which is mentioned in the title actually dealt with the pandemic. --Xwejnusgozo (talk) 22:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That is a fair point; I'll add a bit about how the organization itself is dealing with it (if I can find anything). Personally, I think we should have articles on how different international organizations are responding, but of course that takes time to create. Zoozaz1 (talk) 22:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added a section specifically on the CIS response. Zoozaz1 (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm coming from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19, where the mood seems to be very much that the article is not necessary. My own inclinations here lean strongly toward deletion—we barely have enough editors to adequately maintain the continent-level pandemic articles, let alone these sorts of much less distinct articles. The stuff about how the Commonwealth of Independent States is responding to the pandemic is useful, and should find a home somewhere on Wikipedia (do we have something like Response of international organizations to the COVID-19 pandemic?). But the country-specific sections are just a complete WP:CONTENTFORK mess in waiting. I would feel somewhat better if they were turned into excerpts. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 23:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , The closest article we have to that would be the Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on international relations. I've also gone ahead and changed the country sections to excerpts. Zoozaz1 (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep – The article title is also changed since the AfD nomination. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 04:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Conditionally keep because this article focused about the outbreak in the Commonwealth of CIS. but because majority of portions are more focusing about how CIS member States responded to the pandemic, I suggested to renaming it as CIS responses to the COVID-19 pandemic and reworking to be more focused about reactions to that pandemic, in line with EU response article. The current title can be redirect to new title. 114.125.252.207 (talk) 04:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete There is only one short paragraph in this article which is actually about the response of the CIS as a body. That is insufficient to justify an article. The vast majority of the text here is summarising the responses of individual countries that are already better covered on the pages for those individual countries' responses. The result is a massive WP:CFORK. Bondegezou (talk) 08:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete we have enough with articles on Covid-19 in each state. There is no good reason to create an article on it in this transnational grouping.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see the CIS relevant in this context. If there was something about these countries' response to COVID that was different because they are CIS members (comparable to, say, the way the EU was coordinating certain things), that could be worth noting, but AFAIK the CIS hasn't taken any particular role that I'm aware of. As it stands, the article just repeats and summarises content from the individual country articles. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems perfectly reasonable to have an article covering the region in question, there are tons of sources to make a good article. I don't see a reason for why we couldn't have COVID-19 pandemic in the Commonwealth of Nations, COVID-19 pandemic in the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States and COVID-19 pandemic in the Union of South American Nations as well like was mentioned above.★Trekker (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep sounds relevant to the current COVID-19 Pandemic. Could be good for historical purposes. MissiYasında&#38;&#38; (talk) 19:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I agreed on the original article's deletion nomination, but it has since improved slightly (title change, "Commonwealth of Independent States" section). Yet if you compare the article to the one about the EU, this one still feels more like a list than an article in its own right. I would prefer to keep it because the CIS is an extant organization that seems to have had at least some coordination in regards to COVID-19. But it would still need more expansion of the section on CIS coordination, so that it becomes more prominent in comparison to the listing of countries, which in turn should be condensed. I found this news here https://24.kg/english/142427_Russia_to_provide_EAEU_CIS_countries_with_test_systems_to_diagnose_coronavirus_/ that might be an example of an additional source, but I can not verify that the news site is reliable. I suspect Russian language sources might be more plentiful. --LordPeterII (talk) 01:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems a valid article, grouping together the pandemic in a defined region.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Commonwealth of Independent States does exist. Hence this is valid subject. Yes, similar pages could be created for other super-national bodies. Importantly, this body, i.e. the Commonwealth of Independent States appears as a single entity in RS, for example in reports by World Trade Organization (see Chart 5 here and elsewhere). My very best wishes (talk) 21:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per DoubleGrazing. The fact that this article is based primarily on reposting the lead sections from individual country articles makes it quite repetitive. "The COVID-19 pandemic in Armenia is part of the worldwide pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)." "The COVID-19 pandemic in Azerbaijan is part of the worldwide pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)." "The COVID-19 pandemic in Belarus is part of the ongoing worldwide pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)." You get three guesses as to what the COVID-19 pandemic in Kazakhstan is part of, and the first two don't count. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


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