Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CYN (singer)


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

CYN (singer)

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WP:BLP of a musician, who has no strong claim to notability per WP:NMUSIC and lacks adequate reliable source support. Getting signed to a label is not an automatic NMUSIC pass in and of itself — being signed to a label counts toward notability under NMUSIC #5, in which two full albums have to be released on the label, but so far all she's got is one single that just came out ten days ago and thus can't be sourced as meeting NMUSIC #2 yet either. One of the two footnotes, further, is her own self-published website, which is not support for notability -- and while the other reference is an article that's surprisingly longer and more detailed than I was expecting, and thus counts for something, it doesn't count for enough by itself as we require multiple reliable sources to pass NMUSIC #1. No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when she has a stronger claim of notability and better sourcing for it, but right now it's WP:TOOSOON. Bearcat (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Please don't delete CYN! She's an up and coming artist whose debut EP is expected before the end of this year. She has multiple stories published of her, including in Billboard twice, once here and another here, The Fader and The Chicago Tribune. I think she deserves to remain on Wiki as more and more people will be seeking information on her and her debut single, Together, which is already making gains in popularity. Update: I have filled in more information on CYN's page. There are now 4 published sources referenced in her article.
 * Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform on which someone gets an article for being an "up and coming artist whose debut EP is expected before the end of this year" — we're an encyclopedia, on which somebody gets an article for having already released two full albums, having already had a Top 40 hit, or some other marker which suggests that they've already arrived. Making it big comes first and then the Wikipedia article follows, not vice versa. Bearcat (talk) 15:15, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

This isn't about publicity, I'm not this girl's publicist - and don't misuse my quote, I was explaining to you that she is relevant. In any case, before it was about sources, and now it's about your marker of whether or not a pop singer has "arrived". Billboard, the music industry standard, has recognized CYN twice, in two different articles by two different writers. And I would argue that having one of the world's biggest pop stars recognize her talent, sign her to their label, and promote her song is a marker that she has arrived. Besides, her name is on other articles, so why wouldn't you want to make Wikipedia more cohesive and have her name be linked to an actual page? CYN should to stay.
 * Having a little bit of media coverage doesn't assist notability all by itself, if it doesn't support that she's accomplished anything that constitutes a pass of a notability criterion. A musician needs to satisfy both conditions, not just one or the other, to qualify for an article on here — if you're aiming for "she's notable just because media coverage exists", then she needs quite a lot more media coverage than just a couple of articles, because many musicians who've accomplished nothing that passes a notability criterion could still show two or three pieces of media coverage from somewhere.
 * And no, merely signing to a label — regardless of whether that label is owned by a major pop star or not — is not an NMUSIC criterion in and of itself: as I already noted, being signed to a label isn't a notability claim in and of itself until there are two full albums out on the market. It's still possible for a musician to get an article with less than two albums if she passes another NMUSIC criterion instead, but she still has to actually pass an NMUSIC criterion and is not exempted from that just because the article has a couple of sources in it that are covering her only in the context of "emerging up and comer that we just saw a press release about" rather than "person who has had a hit single" or "person who has released albums". Bearcat (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


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 * Weak Delete WP:TOOSOON. If the debut single gets enough popularity to appear on any notable charts this may change, but the promotional campaign isn't sufficient coverage for notability. Power~enwiki (talk) 00:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with above comment that this is WP: TOOSOON. But it is a weak delete because the subject is getting coverage in some fairly heavy-hitting sources, bearing in mind any artist with the promotional muscle of a Katy Perry connection is going to get the obligatory column inches. But user Bearcat is making persuasive observations. Despite the hype, it is equally possible this artist may fail in her aspirations and have little accomplishment other than mere existence. As I write this her debut single has been out almost 2 weeks, and there is yet to be any indication of how to measure its success (e.g. Chart activity; Sales numbers; non-promotional third party reportage, etc.) It needs more time. Wikipedia is not WP:CRYSTALBALL. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:TOOSOON. The media hype may not be long-lasting enough to pass WP:NMUS.    Dr Strauss   talk   08:46, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


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