Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cacharel


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The result was speedy keep. North America1000 08:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Cacharel

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Delete Zero indications of notability. A run-of-the-mill company that produces perfume and which may be associated with notable brands but note that Notability if Not Inherited. References are (for the most part) not intellectually independent and fail WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:ORGIND. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 14:32, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just quickly: I sympathise with the nominator – we have a truly awful article, parts of it apparently translated without attribution from the fr.wp page, and little or no evidence of notability of any kind. However, the French article has sources, and some at least are reliable and independent. Among them are:
 * Cacharel quitte définitivement Nîmes, L'Usine nouvelle, 2 avril 2009
 * Cacharel se sépare de son directeur artistique, L'Express Styles, 30 mars 2011
 * La vie est belle pour Cacharel, L'Express Styles, 10 décembre 2008
 * Nîmes a la nostalgie de Cacharel L'Expansion, 11 octobre 2001.
 * Anne-Sophie Cathala, « Jean Bousquet, le retour de Monsieur Cacharel », Le Figaro, encart « Le Figaro et vous », samedi 25 / dimanche 26 juin 2016, page 39.
 * Fabrice Léonard, « Liberty chéri » Le Point, 29 avril 2010
 * Un vent de Liberty...histoire d'un best-seller Le Parisien, 15 mai 2010.
 * Marie Varroud-Vial, Le Liberty : l'histoire d'un imprimé Puretrend.com, 17 mai 2010.
 * Deux jeunes stylistes chinois à la tête de Cacharel L'Express Styles, 7 juin 2011.
 * Retour aux sources : Scarlett de Cacharel, Au Parfum, 19 mai 2009
 * Cacharel, Christian Bernard Group
 * Cacharel n'ouvrira pas son capital malgré ses déboires, L'Expansion, 16 décembre 2009
 * Eley Kishimoto, l’affaire est dans le sac, Éditions Jalou
 * Cacharel et Uniqlo s'associent pour le printemps, Le Parisien, 12 avril 2011
 * Des Tshirts vintage signés par Cacharel en vente chez Uniqlo, La Dépêche, 11 avril 2011
 * Le Figaro, Le Parisien, La Dépêche du Midi, L'Expansion, Le Point, L'Express are (or in one case, were) reputable mainstream publications. It's very hard to see how this famous company could fail to be notable by our standards. I'll try to look at this is more detail tomorrow, specially if there's any doubt about those sources (which I haven't had time to check individually and in detail). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I just lost my editing session as I was saving the work. I had analysed all of the sources above and most are not intellectually independent, relying on company announcements or quotations/interviews with Bousquet. One source didn't mention Cacharel at all. Two other links did not work at all and two links as provided didn't work but I was able to find the articles. Two references in particular were lovely articles, very well written, telling the story of the company but were clearly not intellectually independent. With all that said, this L'Express reference, while starting off based on a company announcement, contains independent opinion from the third paragraph and meets the criteria for establishing notability. I also found two book references that meet the criteria:
 * Based on the above, I'm happy to withdraw the nomination.  HighKing++ 16:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on the above, I'm happy to withdraw the nomination.  HighKing++ 16:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on the above, I'm happy to withdraw the nomination.  HighKing++ 16:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on the above, I'm happy to withdraw the nomination.  HighKing++ 16:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Snow keep. Yes, I feel like there’s a good chance something’s been lost in translation—state of the entry aside (tho I’ve watchlisted and will try to get to it as soon as life permits), the idea Cacharel isn’t notable is a bit to France what saying, I don’t know, GAP isn’t notable would sound like in the US. Easy keep. Innisfree987 (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Sources are notable - no idea why this was added to women-related deletion discussions though. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If I’m not mistaken it was founded as a womenswear company, and then its best-known fragrances have been marketed to women. So women was just one adjacent topic—not limited to women tho! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Withdraw nomination Sources found (see above).  HighKing</b>++ 16:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


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