Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caesars Cup


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The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Caesars Cup

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This is a non-notable event that is being tied to the 2009 WSOPE. Betfair is a co-sponsor of the WSOPE, but that does not make this inaugural event worth mentioning. The person who wrote the account appears to be a spammer for the betfair website. --- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 23:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Note: This was discussed briefly at WP:Poker before being brought here. NOTE: There is a publicity blitz ongoing, but this is the inaugural Caesar's Cup. I suspect that if this becomes an annual tradition, it might be notable, but at most it deserves a comment in the 2009 WSOPE article.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 02:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: I just wrote an article, Non-bracelet events at the WSOP that this could simply be redirected to.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails notability guidelines WP:GNG  Chzz  ►  01:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * RESPONSE: Can you please explain what makes this user a 'spammer for the betfair website'? Is it simply because this event is sponsored by Betfair? I think the wiki reads nicely and that it is useful information for anyone interested in poker, like myself. Seems like a tournament that is notable, especially if it is going to be on-going - then again, maybe even as a one off.
 * See the discussion at WT:POKER and check out the users edit history. Almost every edit has been related to adding "sponsored by Betfair" or ensuring that the poker pros from Betfair are covered or that Betfair's publicity stunts are covered.  At this point, the Caesar's cup is no more notable that the All-In Energy Tournament of 2008.  In a year or two, heck possibly AFTER the tournament, the Caesar's Cup MIGHT be notable, but right now, we don't know that.  Ante Up for Africa is only now reaching the point where it is notable enough to stand on it's own.  This is the first time the event has occurred.  If it gets big names (and it is off to an excellent start) that might improve the credibility, but right now... it fails WP's general notability guidelines.  Everything is currently either from Betfair itself or obviously gleaned from Betfair's press releases.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete As mentioned, the tournament is not yet notable. The current article is little more than a Betfair press release. Hazir (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * RESPONSE: I wrote the article. I have been asked to update the Betfair Poker Pros pages and other related pages. I can understand some of the Betfair references being challenged but cannot understand the discussion about deleting this article. To compare this tournament to the All-in tournament is highly inaccurate. That was a one-off, purely PR-driven, tournament that allowed entry to 1,200 members of the public, based predominantly on how much of a certain drink they purchased. The Caesars Cup is a new annual event that features only the very top players in the world and the opportunity for one member of the public to qualify based purely on poker ability. To say that it is not notable just because it is the inaugural event makes no sense. All of the major poker sites are talking about it as one of the events of the year. Why have similar events in other sports been accepted in their inaugural year e.g. soccer's Wembley Cup? Why is that event notable but not this one? I can tell you as a poker fan and soccer fan, the Caesars Cup is much bigger to poker than the Wembley Cup is to soccer. They're not even in the same league. I also don't understand how is it justifiable to remove the Caesars Cup from the list of events on the WSOPE page? Whether or not you at Wikipedia feel it is a notable enough event to warrant its own page, it IS on the schedule of events, FACT, and warrants some description and explanation.--Jtrentonjtrenton (talk) 08:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtrentonjtrenton (talk • contribs) 08:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been asked to update the Betfair Poker Pros pages and other related pages. &mdash; Really? Who by? Uncle G (talk) 22:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that is confirmation that our suspicions were correct about the motivation behind writing these pages.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 22:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of your questions are better asked at WT:POKER, but as a general rule events have to reach a certain level of notability. But just about every year there are different tournaments held in conjunction with the WSOP, and those events are not covered on the WSOP page.  As for the Caesars Cup tournament itself, at present it probably deserves mention on the 2009 WSOPE page.  Heck, the page might even attract enough attention that it does become notable this year.  Right now, the event is being talked about, but only insofar as the press releases of Betfair.  It might garner enough independent coverage/interest to warrant its own article, but right now it is completely unproven and a publicity stunt.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 22:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)  Also, you might want to familiarize yourself with wp:COI and wp:SPAM--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 22:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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