Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cahiers de l'Institut de Linguistique de Louvain


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-22 10:06Z 

Cahiers de l'Institut de Linguistique de Louvain

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This articles prod was removed by user 69.232.85.231 Special:Contributions/69.232.85.231 with the comment It's an article about a linguistics journal. which fails to address the fact that this article seems to fail WP:N after a Google search, review of links on the page and translation (by Google) of some web pages it looks like the article is about the French translation of the book The d-prefix in Burushaski which does not have an article on so I don't see how the French version would need one on English Wikipedia Verifiability

The only reference I could find with some English is this ''Bashir, Elena. 2004. "Le préfixe d- en Bourouchaski: deixis et point de référence." Bibliothèque des Cahiers de l'Institut de Linguistique de Louvain. (French translation of "The d-prefix in Burushaski: Deixis and viewpoint" originally presented at the 36th International Congress of Asian and North African Studies (ICANAS 2000), Montreal, August 27-September 2, 2000.)'' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeepday (talk • contribs) 13:41, 12 February 2007
 * Delete, borders on speedy delete as there is not even an attempt at asserting notability. Resolute 23:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: It is badly written but obviously about an academic journal for linguistics, as was pointed out by the person who removed that speedy deletion tag. The journal Cahiers de l'Institut de Linguistique de Louvain has been published since 1972 by the Université Catholique de Louvain, a prestigious university in Belgium. I suppose that, were Wikipedia articles in general as well-cited as they probably should be, a journal like this and the many volumes in its supplement series would occur frequently among the references of articles. Pharamond 08:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Excursus: Most of the content in the first, unsigned, comment above seems confused, confusing and irrelevant to the issue of the actual journal. The above-mentioned title by Elena Bashir appears to be not a book, but a single article in volume 113 of a supplement series of the journal. To hopefully make things clearer: The journal is called Cahiers de l'Institut de Linguistique de Louvain. The supplement series is called Bibliothèque des Cahiers de l’Institut de Linguistique de Louvain. Volume 113 of this series is a conference volume called Bourouchaskiana: actes du Colloque sur le bourouchaski organisé à l'occasion du XXXVIème Congrès international sur les Études asiatiques et nord-africaines (Montréal, 27 août - 2 septembre 2002) ed. Étienne Tiffou, 2004. The journal has a second supplement series called Série Pédagogique de l’Institut de Linguistique de Louvain. I hope that helps. Pharamond 08:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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 * Comment. This appears to be a legitimate scholarly journal, in publication since 1972. I looked it up in three online library catalogs of universities in the United States, and two of them subscribe to it, even though the journal is in French. Normally I would recommend "keep", but the text of this article appears to have been poorly translated from the publisher's web page. --Metropolitan90 00:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep it can easily be rewritten in English once we determine we want to have the article. The only academic journal I can recall which was deleted at AfD in a while was one that could not be shown to be in any library at all, even in the online catalog of the institute that published it., & even that had those who disagreed.  You cannot expect the same GS or other coverage of articles in journals like this. The supplements of course should not be separate articles unless one should ever be really notable.DGG 06:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: How does one establish the "notability" of an academic journal in a way that satisfies Wikipedia's requirements? People would usually cite individual articles, rather than write about the journal as such (and if somebody would, it would probably be the editor in an anniversary volume). But it would seem to me that reputable institutions and personalities of academia should be regarded as noteworthy in and of themselves, as that is where the knowledge is produced that an encyclopaedia is supposed to distill and describe. Knowledge does not just occur naturally, like apples that can be picked off a tree; it is produced in a certain institutional, social and historical context, and that is how it has to be understood. Pharamond 07:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Very very strong keep. This journal is already in use on Wikipedia as a source; check Special:Whatlinkshere/Cahiers_de_l%27Institut_de_Linguistique_de_Louvain. John Vandenberg 07:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Worldcat finds 40 libraries in their network that hold this journal, including Lib of Congress, NY Public Library and Harvard University. See . The fully-quoted name of the journal gets 20,600 Google hits. I think it's notable. Regarding journal notability, and the effort to create new articles on important journals, it's worth taking a look at John Vandenberg's project at WP:LOMJQ. EdJohnston 04:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


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