Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cahit Paşa


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The result was keep. John254 16:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Cahit Paşa

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Player fails notability at WP:ATHLETE having never played in a fully-professional league/competition Hubschrauber729 (talk) 00:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC) Comment: To answer question of whether he is notable, we need to look at what Turkish leagues are professional. He seems to have appeared for a few Turkish second and third league teams according to ; possibly even first league depending on timing. Nfitz (talk) 06:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC) Keep: if we want to follow WP:Athlete, Turkish_football_league_system shows that 2nd and 3rd Turkish leagues are distinct from amateur leagues. Drunken Pirate (talk) 21:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions.   --  TravellingCari  02:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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 * Comment - There is no evidence that he actually made any appearances for any of those teams. And I can't read Turkish so that link doesn't help me. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 21:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * reply this shows what teams he played for, the first one I checked is not amatuer. It's in English.  Drunken Pirate (talk) 21:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply - Yes I understand that he has been a member of those teams. That doesn't mean he has made appearances for them. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 21:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * sorry, I assumed if he played for that many teams he at one point made an appearance. He did make at least one appearnace of 46 minutes]. That is in the second highest league in Ireland. Drunken Pirate (talk) 22:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * is quite clear that he made appearances - and easy to use even if you don't know a word of Turkish. Select Sezon (which is Turkish for Season), and select a year, start with 1994-1995, and you can see he had appearances for KUŞADASISPOR and BORNOVASPOR of 3.Lig. In 1995-1996 he had appearances for S.EFESSPOR  and KUŞADASISPOR of 3.Lig. In 1996-1997 he had appearances for KUŞADASISPOR of Lig B Klasman and S.EFESSPOR of 3.Lig ... etc.  Appearances go up to 2007-2008, and he appeared for all the teams listed. He looks like he pretty much played in every game. If any of those teams qualify for professional, then article is a Keep. Nfitz (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the highest level of football he ever played was for Konyaspor in the 2nd level in the 2001-02 season (called 2. League A at the time). I have read elsewhere that the Turkish 2nd level is not fully professional, but if it is he played in 31 matches that season according to the TFF website. Jogurney (talk) 19:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - per two other closed AfDs, the TFF First League (or its predecessor, the 2. League A) is viewed as a fully professional league, and the player has appeared 31 times at that level. Jogurney (talk) 21:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as he technically passes WP:ATHLETE. – LATICS   talk  04:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


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