Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caiçara Esporte Clube


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The result was   keep. Jenks24 (talk) 11:03, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Caiçara Esporte Clube

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Contested PROD, with the reason "the club competed in the Copa do Brasil (the Brazilian national cup) in 1991". My understanding is that competing in this cup would not be enough to make a club inherently notable. Because of how Brazilian football system works, the competition allows "lesser teams to have a shot at the title, since the best clubs are usually playing the continental competition" (quoted from the Copa do Brasil article). Winning the title, or coming runner-up, may well be enough to nudge into notability areas, but competing once and being knocked out in the first round does not appear to make the grade. The league the club plays in is not listed on WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, and the coverage in the provided sources do not seem to be enough to meet the notability guidelines  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 10:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 15:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. First, regarding the Copa do Brasil, Caiçara Esporte Clube competed in the competition in 1991. However, only from 2001 to 2012 that teams competing in the Copa Libertadores (which is the continental competition in South America) did not participate in the Copa do Brasil (anyone can easily check this by noticing that in 1991 Corinthians competed in both the 1991 Copa do Brasil and in the 1991 Copa Libertadores), as the full text of the Copa do Brasil article clearly says: "From 2001 to 2012, the Copa do Brasil has been played in the first semester of the year. Due to the busy schedule in the first semester in Brazil, teams playing in the Copa Libertadores have not been allowed to participate in the Copa do Brasil in the same year. This has allowed lesser teams to have a shot at the title, since the best clubs are usually playing the continental competition.". But even in those years, the bigger teams competed, as anyone can verify by simply reading the List of Copa do Brasil winners page. Besides that, the competition is the most important cup competition in Brazil, it is not a lower-league cup. Second, the WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues page is clearly incomplete, as that page says that "The lists are currently incomplete" and it is a guide just for player and manager notability. So, there is no reason the delete the Caiçara Esporte Clube page. --Carioca (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - there is significant coverage of the club's exploits in the 1991 Copa do Brasil and it appears to pass the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 22:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Copa is the top domestic cup in Brazil. Playing in it should warrant notability as long as the club passes WP:GNG which I shall check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsenalkid700 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 08:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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