Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cairo de Andrade


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:39, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Cairo de Andrade

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 09:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 09:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete !vote struck, see below yup, per the Snowman. Campeonato Paulista Série A3 isn't a fully professional league; he would need to have played in the A1 series to be notable. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 10:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Can we get confirmation the Moldovan league is semi pro and what about the europa league apperances? Seasider91 (talk) 11:09, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * His Europa League appearances have all been in qualifying meaning they do not confer notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 11:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, he's made appearances in the Moldovan National Division, which to all intents and purposes seems to be the highest division in Moldova, and (one would assume) is fully pro. It isn't listed at WP:FPL, which is why I assumed he was non-notable. Striking my delete !vote above, since this suggests he might pass WP:NFOOTY after all. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 12:16, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In the absence of reliable sources confirming that the Moldovan top flight is fully pro, this article still fails WP:NSPORT, since notability requires verifiable evidence. Sir Sputnik (talk) 12:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and I haven't found any (can't read Cyrillic, though). I'm not moving to support retaining the article, merely registering that my original !vote may have been overly hasty. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep since while I also haven't seen the Cyrillic sources, it seems very likely based on Football in Moldova and Moldovan National Division articles that this is a pro league, thus meeting WP:NFOOTBALL. Even if that is not the case, it wouldn't make sense that the highest level of national play in a country wouldn't be considered notable. If so, there would need to be an amendment made to the notability guidelines. WP:BURDEN: It has always been good practice to try to find and cite supporting sources yourself. This isn't BLP. Arghonaut (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * First, notability requires verifiable evidence. In the absence of any sources confirming the Moldovan National Division as fully pro, we cannot assume, however that reasonable that assumption may be, that it is. It would shock me to learn that the league is entirely amateur, but to assume full professionalism without sources to back it up goes to far. Second, the claim that playing in a national top flight should automatically grant notability is fallacious. There are a number of national top flights listed as not fully pro at WP:FPL. Proposals to make playing in a national top flight a notability criteria have been presented several times to the WP:WikiProject Football, and have been resoundingly rejected every time. Finally, of course this is a BLP. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:44, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete unless someone can show that the Moldovan National Division is a fully professional league. Number   5  7  08:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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