Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caister FC


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Anglian Combination.  Sandstein  19:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Caister FC

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I gave the article a PROD because I didn't think that there was sufficient coverage for WP:GNG and I can't see any evidence of playing in the FA Vase or at a high enough level for the rule of thumb at WP:FOOTYN from FCHD.

It's not that there is no coverage at all but I just think that the coverage is trivial, local paper stuff that doesn't need covering in a global encyclopaedia that doesn't wish to show any particular bias towards English men's football. In searches of the Great Yarmouth Mercury you can find stuff like a brief AGM notice and an advert asking for someone to volunteer as a linesman. In the Eastern Daily Press they are mentioned in passing in a vandalism news article and a car accident. Neither of those articles actually focus on the club itself so, for that reason, I don't think that they constitute significant coverage. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's easy to find match reports in newspapers, User:Spiderone (look under the name they operated for about 100 years - Caister United). It's not like the 11th tier of English football is that far away from an obvious keep. Thoughts? Nfitz (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I've found a few hits but most look like passing mentions Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Please don’t delete my article because Caister FC is well-loved local club for us in Caister! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trudigator (talk • contribs) 16:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Here is proof that we are actually a local club! https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/caisterfootballclub/teams/63176 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trudigator (talk • contribs) 16:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sadly proof of mere existence is not enough to qualify for an article on Wikipedia, the topic also needs to be notable as defined here -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * due to your use of 'we' I have requested that you declare your WP:COI on your talk page Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:59, 6 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Anglian Combination, the club's league.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 17:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect as per above -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, what should I do to ensure that my article will not be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trudigator (talk • contribs)
 * Take a look at WP:GNG. Basically, you need to find multiple reliable independent third-party sources that cover the subject in detail (not just trivial passing mentions) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, please sign your comments by typing ~ at the end so everyone knows who is commenting -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Just by googling Caister FC, you can clearly see that they aren’t an irrelevant club. Most people in the borough of Great Yarmouth know about them and I felt that they are worthy of deserving a wikipedia article as they didn’t have one already. Have a read about them here https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/caisterfootballclub/teams/63176 and this should show that they are notable locally. Trudigator (talk) 19:12, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Pitchero is a web host for football clubs. It's not independent (WP:IS) and definitely not reliable (WP:RS). There is no fact checking or professional journalism involved. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately just stating that the club is "well known locally" and pointing people to the club's own website doesn't address the WP:GNG issue. As per my comment above, the requirement is multiple reliable independent third-party sources that cover the subject in detail -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 19:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I would be very disheartened if my article got deleted but I am finding it very hard to prove to you that the club is notable. Just because there arent many sources online, it doesn’t mean that it isn’t notable in real life! I could do with some help please as I have worked very hard on my article and am proud of it. Trudigator (talk) 19:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to a small mention of the club at Caister-on-Sea and it is already mentioned at Anglian Combination which is more than enough really. Also WP:IWORKEDSOHARD is not a valid reason to keep. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

On a serious note though, I do genuinely believe that the article should be kept because although there may not be lots of many online sources regarding information about the club, there is no doubt that it is a part of Caister culture and many people do attend the matches weekly. I feel that this page would provide information to people that have an interest in non-league football. Trudigator (talk) 20:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sources do not have to be online (offline sources are equally valid), but if there aren't any independent sources available then the article will almost certainly be deleted for not meeting WP:GNG. Unfortunately this is pretty much always the case for village teams playing at this sort of level....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

What counts as independent sources and what information does their content have to be about? If I find the relevant information, how do I use it in my article? Trudigator (talk) 21:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * An independent source is one which is not published by or on behalf of the subject of the article. So in this case it would something not published by the club or the league in which it plays.  If such sources exist, I would be happy to help with using them in the article...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Here’s a source from the FA about Caister’s stats this season: https://fulltime.thefa.com/displayTeam.html?divisionseason=705540393&teamID=148803757 If you could incorporate this into the article in any way, it would be greatly appreciated Trudigator (talk) 22:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that source is neither independent (it is published by the league in which Caister play) or in-depth coverage (it's just a list of their results) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

*Contrary to what the majority of people are saying, I actually believe that this article seems okay enough to keep as it has clear citations to sources. I’ve also had a brief google search myself and have found enough pieces of information from independent sources for a clear enough article to be published. I am VERY new to wikipedia though so any advice would be much appreciated. MarkingoTheMango (talk) 23:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC) '''Struck as sock. Star  Mississippi  22:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment above comment was the first ever edit by this user -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * there has been some other shenanigans unfortunately as well Star   Mississippi  16:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I’m sorry about this, it’s just me and my son are very passionate about Caister FC and we would be devastated to see the article get deleted as we have worked on it with care. I know this is no reason to keep it but we are really struggling to find online sources to prove it’s notability. I can assure you that the club is 100% notable and that the article should be kept. My son is autistic and he was crying last night because of this threat to delete the article. This really isn’t the right thing to do and the article should be kept for the fans of non-league football. Many thanks Trudigator (talk) 18:51, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Bonus note: Every time we watch Caister FC play, there’s around 50+ fans attending each game at the Allendale. I can give you photo proof if you like this wednesday. Trudigator (talk) 18:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


 * That's original research and in no way an indication of notability. You have weighed in. Consensus will determine whether it should be kept, not repeat postings. Star   Mississippi  19:37, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, when will the consensus be and may I suggest that if the article cannot remain can it be merged with another article. Please answer both points. Trudigator (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Consensus be when there's consensus. But it won't close for at least a week after opening - and if there's a lack of consensus it could be relisted for week after week. Nfitz (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I fear this will have to be a Redirect to the Anglian Combination article as suggested above, because it is a plausible search term. Trudigator's arguments are understandable, but "around 50+ fans" does not, in itself, point to overwhelming notability. I would suspect that there are considerably more people than that in the club's catchment area watching televised/streamed matches. I am also autistic, but have never cried at an article's deletion, for all that I have on occasions voted Keep for articles that were deleted. I agree with spiderone: this is a global encyclopaedia not an Anglosphere one, and those who are happy for it to be "Anglospherepedia" are, by implication, happy for it to favour association football in one country over all others, seeing how it has not been a dominant sport in other Anglophone countries (even though its followers in England are probably more likely to "other" mainland Europe, perhaps especially in Caister-on-Sea, than people who dislike the sport are). Given the site's patchiness on football subjects of substantially greater notability in countries (i.e. most non-Anglosphere/Commonwealth countries) where it is the dominant sport, we simply cannot maintain articles like this. Virtually everything in the world is passionately important to someone, but importance at hyper-local level does not justify a place in a global encyclopaedia (and I should add that there is less and less distinction between on- and offline life, especially for people who have come through this century; ask Keir Starmer). RobinCarmody (talk) 14:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.