Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cale Mills


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 06:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Cale Mills

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Unremarkable musician in a band that plays for somebody else's solo career. Striker force Talk Review me! 13:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe you are putting personal prejudice into this, but I will explain why exactly Cale Mills is significant and remarkable. Firstly, I will point out that 90% of the sources for this article were removed by someone who has a history of altering pages to make them less reliable. Official band pages and videos were removed. Secondly, Cale Mills is recognized already on multiple Wikipedia pages, but did not have his own page until recent. He has been interviewed by multiple Arkansas news media outlets, MTV, and Cosmopolitan magazine. He has written multiple songs for a major label artist and plays in said artist's band as a backup vocalist, guitarist, and pianist. He has toured across the country and abroad as a headlining band and as opening act for several major label, Grammy winning artists such as Maroon 5 and Keith Urban. Since music venues seem to be a popular bit of notoriety among backup musician pages, he has played Madison Square Garden and Red Butte Gardens among other venues. He has appeared on multiple network cable television programs including Regis & Kelly, David Letterman, So You Think You Can Dance, The Tonight Show, American Idol, and PBS's National Memorial Day Concert. Cosmopolitan named him the 2009 Arkansas Bachelor of the year and he not only appeared in the magazine and on the website, he modeled for both. He has also modeled for multiple designers and his likeness has appeared in several print media and websites for said designers. So, when you say Cale Mills is unremarkable, I question your reliability as both an editor and your ability to read an article in its entirety before making a judgement since all of this is included in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.128.245.50 (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you point me - and others who may be weighing in on this discussion - to the exact clause of NMUSIC that Mills meets? The modeling may make him notable (I don't feel that it does, but I'll leave that up to the community to decide). His appearances on "multiple network cable television programs" were as a part of the band supporting Kris Allen's appearances, not Cale Mills' own appearances, so they would not establish the notability of Mills himself and thus should not be considered in this debate. On a separate note, it's not a great idea to question the ability of other editors in a debate, because it is not only something that could be construed as a violation of CIVIL, but it also makes you appear combative, rather than supportive of an effort to establish consensus. Striker force Talk  Review me! 08:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — I, Jethrobot drop me a line 18:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * All I want to know is how Tommy Joe Ratliff meets this criteria, but Mills does not. Ratliff has even less notability. Unless kissing a guy on national television gets you a I'M NOTABLE pass these days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.228.122 (talk) 01:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * For future reference, Other stuff exists is not a valid argument at AfD. But, in this instance, thank you for pointing out this specific article. I have nominated it for deletion under the same grounds as I nominated Cale Mills. Striker force Talk  Review me! 00:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 15 July 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete Man! I hate to do this to a fellow musician, but he does not meet any of the criteria specified in NMUSIC.      @- Kosh  ► Talk to the Vorlons ► Markab -@ 16:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect He may not meet the NMUSIC criteria, but within the context of Kris Allen and Allen's music he does have notability. I intend to create a section on Allen's page for the Kris Allen Band since Mills and the other backing band members are known more known as a band than individuals. - Gracefulally (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.