Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caleb Followill


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Kings of Leon. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  11:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Caleb Followill

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Member of a notable band. However, does not appear to have any significant solo activity outside of Kings of Leon (MUSICBIO see italics at the end), relevant information here can easily be incorporated into band article. Fixer23 (talk) 01:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. This person is of sufficient status to meet general notability criteria on his own. Although he did come to fame only for being a member of one band, the interviews which reliable sources are collecting are pointedly personal and probe into him as an artist and not as a member of an ensemble.  The article's subject seems to be a celebrity figure in his own right. The Sun Village Voice MTV It seems that this might be the case for all the band members, because they all get questioned in interviews for their opinions on musical technique.  I am cross-posting this argument on the other band members' AfD debates.   Blue Rasberry    (talk)   04:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per Blue Rasberry. I'll admit, I really wasn't sure about this either way when I first saw it. MobileSnail 04:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * But the caveat in the policy applies to "individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases," surely attaining minor "celebrity status" does not qualify as significant activity. The policy takes into account that there will be independent coverage, but all with regard to the band's activity as a whole, obviously interviews are not going to always be conducted with all the members present. I'm not sure being asked separately about their instruments (in the context of their work in the band) constitues individual notability/activity. Surely being more popular member doesn't immediately qualify as notability? Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of them have reached the status of being a household name outside of the band (which could make this discussion less obvious). I think the main point here is that there should be "individual notability for activity independent of the band," the argument that someone "famous for being famous" sometimes qualify for articles based on notability established by individual coverage. However, in this case, individual coverage is inevitable and in the cases of pages of members of groups, those individuals have done work to differentiate themselves from their group, such as side projects, film, solo albums etc. Here, it is not demonstrated. Fixer23 (talk) 06:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 6 April 2011

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 * OK, I guess you are right. However I feel this is ridiculous and should be altered at least slightly to exempt the frontman of the band from this rule. Maybe other bandmates that have no solo activity should still apply but I think that the frontman should exempt at least. For the time being I'll just stay out of this discussion while I see if I can get a change on that. MobileSnail 20:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Merge per my comments on the AfDs for the others. Chick Bowen 00:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to Kings of Leon.. Dragquennom (talk) 12:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to Kings of Leon per Chick Bowen's arguments at the other AfDs. There is not significant third party coverage of this musician to satisfy WP:MUSICBIO and should be merged back into the group article. -Atmoz (talk) 16:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to Kings of Leon per my comment at Articles for deletion/Jared Followill. Cunard (talk) 05:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.