Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calendar Girl (Batman: The Animated Series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. PhilKnight (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Calendar Girl (Batman: The Animated Series)

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Calendar Girl is a minor Batman villain. Fails WP:FICTION Schuym1 (talk) 02:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable character who appeared all of one time. Article makes no assertion of real-world significance or even context. Eusebeus (talk) 10:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Five pillars (notability to a real-world audience, consistent with a “specialized encyclopedia” concerning verifiable fictional topics with importance in the real world) and What Wikipedia is. Sincerely, -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * She's a minor one-shot character so there shouldn't be an article about her at all. Schuym1 (talk) 06:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, What Wikipedia Is is just a bunch of stupid essays that I think shouldn't be used in AfDs. Schuym1 (talk) 06:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nor should the failed fiction guideline. -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't I use the fiction guideline? Schuym1 (talk) 06:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not a compelling reason for deletion, because it is not an actual policy or guideline. If you click on it you will see that it is merely proposed and if you look at its talk page you will see that it is moving toward being marked as historical.  To delete articles we need actual and compelling policy based reasons to do so.  -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I read through it several times, and I did not notice that at the top. Schuym1 (talk) 06:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you are not the first to overlook something; we all do sooner or later, but it is key to note that it says, "The following is a proposed Wikipedia policy, guideline, or process. The proposal may still be in development, under discussion, or in the process of gathering consensus for adoption. Thus references or links to this page should not describe it as 'policy'." You are of course welcome to add your own thoughts to the discussions at Wikipedia talk:Notability %28fiction%29.  It, like an essay, is perfectly reasonable to cite as part of your argument, i.e. to show where you are coming from in the discussion.  And essays and proposed guidelines do reflect sometimes interpretations of policies, but in order to outright delete something we need a compelling policy based reason to do so.  -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 07:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The people who created and worked on the article as well as the thousands who view it each month disagree. At worst in a situation like this we would merge and redirect with a list of characters or the relevant episode, but we only outright delete when there is a copy vio issue, it is a hoax, it is libelous, it is not from a notable series as this one is, or there is absolutely nowhere we can redirect too--all of which are not the case here. -- Happy Independence Day!  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if she was in a notable series. She is a one-shot character. Characters have to be notable themselves, not because they were in a popular series. Schuym1 (talk) 06:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It matters when she was in a notable enough series that she is covered in reliable sources (reviews of the relevant episode and other sources on DC characters cover her) so that she is part of a significant work of fiction that is notable to millions of people and for which we can at worst cover in a character list or as part of the relevant episode's article. In such cases, we just redirect, but that is not an AfD discussion, rather a talk page discussion.  Sincerely, -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I suggest Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles should userfy this article, where he will be free to add reliable secondary sources at his leisure and hopefully get an improved version of this article reinstated. --Gavin Collins (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If worse comes to worse it could be, but since there is no valid reason to delete, it should just be kept in mainspace. Sincerely, -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-notable character, Article makes no assertion of real-world significance or even context. --Allemandtando (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The article concerns a character that is notable enough for at least a merge and redirect and is significant to people in the real world. Sincerely, -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as article fails WP:N. There is no evidence that this character is notable outside of Batman: The Animated Series. --Gavin Collins (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Notability is heavily disputed and as it is notable to that franchise, it is at least worthy of a merge and redirect. Sincerely, -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - the best real world content that can be asserted is a page hit counter? Delete as the article lacxks any amount of real world notability, includes OR/SYNTH Violating sections (about the deliberate push to female villains), and reads like so much fancruft. ThuranX (talk) 15:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Cruft" is never a valid reason for deletion. Sincerely, -- Happy Independence Day!   Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Somewhat to my surprise, this article actually is more about the significance of the character outside the episode. DGG (talk) 20:44, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: since she appears in only one episode, it might be worth considering making this an episode article; however, it would still need some kind of source backing it up. Is there one available? Everyking (talk) 03:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.