Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calgary French and International School


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Andrew Base (talk) 06:07, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Calgary French and International School

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Subject does not pass WP:GNG. No third party source covering the school. Also major case of conflict of interest since in several places it uses pronouns like "our." Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 19:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete - This article does not have any sources that are independent of the topic. Interstellarity (talk) 19:49, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Very few mentions in the Canadian media. No reliable and independent source focuses on the subject. —  Mathieudu68  <b style="color:#000000">talk</b> 21:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep — I've removed most of the undocumented cruft, and added content and citations to WP:RS. I believe it now meets GNG. Cheers! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 01:42, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , still think it fails since it has 1 news coverage.  The other 3 are from school rankings, which could be considered primary sources. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 11:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per the diligent work of Grand'mere Eugene. Meets GNG with RS. WP:NOTCLEANUP and a thorough WP:BEFORE might have found that sources exist. Lightburst (talk) 02:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , but the point is that it didn't, at least not for me.
 * I still think it fails GNG. It only has 1 news article and the other are just ranking sites, which could be considered as primary sources. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 10:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment None of the "ranking sites" are primary, as the rankings are established by a committe or commission external to the school. In addition, the International Baccalaureate designation is only granted to schools meeting rigorous curricular criteria, and the school's accreditation status with CAIS is achieved only after a site visit by a commission of external reviewers. Nevertheless, this morning I clipped 5 recent articles on newspapers.com, listed below. You may be interested that the search engine on that site returned 338 matches, so even subtracting half as an estimate of ads placed by the school, and another 50 as covering individual students of the school or sports-related activities, there are probably another 100 articles that I haven't clipped yet. Here are the 5 most recent clipped articles:
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38320280/calgary_schools_rate_high_in_provincial/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38320519/ranking_albertas_high_schools/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38320701/smaller_class_sizes_bring_variety_of/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38320803/embracing_global_ideals/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38321142/challenging_programs_prep_students/
 * Cheers! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 18:08, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm if we edit the article to include this reference and trim it down, it could just about scrape by GNG, I think. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 18:41, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You may want to review WP:ARTN, part of our Notability Policy, which says, "...if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability." I agree the article certainly still has room for improvement, but I haven't time this weekend. Perhaps other editors might help? — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , I mean the previous version has tons of un referenced statements. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 22:47, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * — Thanks, I think we are in agreement. I deleted most of the crufty previous version, and added the cn tags to the section on school facilities. I suspect there was probably local news coverage when the buildings were constructed, and will hunt for sources next week. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 23:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * — Thanks, I think we are in agreement. I deleted most of the crufty previous version, and added the cn tags to the section on school facilities. I suspect there was probably local news coverage when the buildings were constructed, and will hunt for sources next week. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 23:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete does not seem to be notable with few second-party sources on the internet, and I don't agree with school rankings being a reliable source. 5.76.162.69 (talk) 01:53, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Historically, high schools are kept as evidenced by thousands of AfD closures, making this a consensus by precedent. Besides which, this article is supported by sufficient sources. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:51, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , so schools are kept even if they don't pass WP:GNG? --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 09:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * . It certainly passes now, as any closer will be forced to admit. While AfD is not clean up, there are no rules stating that an article cannot be improved during an AfD. That said, schools are even exempt from CSD-A7, so nominations for deletion should be made with caution and a good understanding of 'consensus by precedent' - or at least a precedent as strong as this one. This does not mean however that I have never physically closed a school AfD as 'delete'. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:05, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

*Keep meets WP:GNG. Störm  (talk)  14:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 12:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:GNG. -- Begoon 10:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , how? There's not much coverage. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 15:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , please explain. Störm   (talk)  11:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ,  has sufficiently started his reasons for his vote and has cited a guideline. Now I suggest you refrain from unnecessarily pestering the contributors, lest someone finds another word for it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:26, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Still a strong divergence of views; try one last re-list

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep reliable sources have been found. There is not a need for worldwide coverage, the school is notable per the multiple non trivial secondary sources. Wm335td (talk) 20:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


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