Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California Biblical University and Seminary


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

California Biblical University and Seminary

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Fails WP:ORG and WP:GNG. gNews archive (searching for "California Biblical University") retrieves 1 press release and 3 trivial newspaper mentions discussing the founder. Had been redirected to founder per consensus on talk because the school is not notable, but recent ES claims school is no longer affiliated with founder. I cannot find mention of this school on the "Main Place Fellowship" church website inline linked in the article, and the church is in Orange City, while the school is listed as being in Irvine. I had proded, but it was removed by a single-purpose editor with apparent inside information. The school might become notable in the future, but it doesn't seem to be there yet. Novaseminary (talk) 17:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 23:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Restore (and update) this version that existed on 26 April 2009 and keep. The current article is a blatant advert -- with no sources, no wikilinks, and no categories -- for an entity that appears not to be notable. However, the previous article described the school of this name that Robert Morey operated for a few years, and that had some third-party coverage (largely uncomplimentary). If there is any valid content about the current version of the school, it could be added to the older article. Further, I don't see that the discussion at Talk:California Biblical University and Seminary resulted in consensus to merge the old content to Robert Morey. There was consensus that there were problems with the article, but that's about all the consensus that I can see. (I hasten to point out, however, that I was a participant in that discussion.) --Orlady (talk) 01:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Fair enough on the murky consensus (or lack of it) for the redirect. But I am not suggesting the article be redirected again, just deleted because it fails WP:N per the lack of available sources. Do you think the sources in the April 2009 version meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG? I don't see it. I only see one possible unaffiliated RS, the LA Times article (the link in that version of the WP article is dead, but I think this is the cited source). There is only a passing mention of the school, nothing substantial or non-trivial. And in searches over the last few days, I have not found RSs to meet any variant of WP:N. Novaseminary (talk) 01:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete If it was an accredited degree-granting institution it would normally be presumed notable, but since it does not appear to be accredited by anybody, I don't think that standard applies. It boasts that it has nothing to do with the U.S department of education and that it "remains committed to working within the regulatory authorities of the State of Califoria" (which I interpret as meaning it is not actually accredited by the state of California). So it has to achieve notability through independent coverage, and it doesn't. --MelanieN (talk) 06:03, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - there is no information about accreditation, and from the California State website, it appears to be unaccredited. The college I teach at, and all other colleges of which I am aware, proudly market their accreditation or reaffirmation status. Bearian (talk) 18:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. The source claiming that the subject college received a religious exemption is a stale, broken link. I can't find anything about that online now.  Can someone help? Bearian (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't find the broken link you are talking about, but would this provide the information you wanted about a "religious exemption"? It says "Generally, institutions that are exempt from state approval are exempt for the following reasons: ... (3) The institution teaches religion and meets all the requirements for a religious exemption." I would take that as meaning that they are not accredited and don't have to be in order to operate in California - but it would also mean that they do not fulfill our usual requirements for "assumed notability". --MelanieN (talk) 03:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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