Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Call For Rise Welfare Society


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Call For Rise Welfare Society

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Article contains no secondary sources, reliable or otherwise. Article was previously speedily deleted as a copyright vio of http://www.callforrise.com and was recreated by the same editor. I have been unable to find any sources showing that this group exists (outside of a group of friends), much less show notability. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 21:15, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: I found zero sources. Joe Chill (talk) 00:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - No reliable sources covering this organisation. As this is a new organisation, this is not unusual.  -- Whpq (talk) 21:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Questions from User:Fizzi ahmad

 * Dear moderator,

Yes, previously a topic was started with name, which was nominated for speedy deletion, as COPY-PASTE from the website callforrise.com. There was a communication with the moderator to finding a way out for this issue. The solution of getting the contents on the website available under public license was not workable, therefor, i tried the otherway out i.e to modify the contents of the article, so that it doesn't look like COPY-PASTE material.

As for the third party references are concerned : There is material available for this society/article in hard paper and can be referenced. There are radio programs, priodicals and other materials that can be directly linked, but the issue is, that these sort of materials don't have any link on the WEB so that they could be referenced here.

Please help me out in this regards. How to put references for materials so as to meet notability criteria.

There is direct relationship between Al-Khidmat Foundation and Call For Rise Welfare Society, where as Al-Khidmat Foundation has its article on wikipedia where as CFR, affiliate of Al-Khidmat' is having difficulty in doing so.

Being a beginner, please help me out. — Fizzi ahmad (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Note to closing admin: Fizzi ahmad (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 01:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * A few replies to the above:
 * First off, Wikipedia doesn't have moderators, so I'm not quite sure who this is being written to (me as nominator? a specific admin? admins in general?).
 * I removed of a  tag to the article, as it's still here at AFD, not at Deletion review.
 * An article has to have some third-party sources in order to prove notability. A common place for editors to start looking is at Google News, and searching there for the Call For Rise Welfare Society shows no hits.
 * Do any books mention it? Searching Google Books for Call For Rise Welfare Society says no.
 * Do any scholarly works reference it? Google Scholar says no.
 * The same search on the Web overall gives 5 hits, total, all of which seem to be scraped from Orkut.
 * According to Google, no web pages anywhere link to callforrise.com.
 * Given all the above, it's darned unlikely that you're going to be able to find sufficient sources to prove notability.
 * So far as the Al khidmat foundation goes, I suggest you read WP:INHERIT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which should explain why the existence of one has no bearing on the other. And I'd also point out that doing the same Google News search I described above, but on the Al Khidmat Foundation, gives several hundred hits.
 * If you have solid references that you can add to the article, go ahead and add them—this is a discussion about deletion, and it's unlikely that anything will be decided until a week is up. The references don't have to be online (although it helps) or in English (although it helps), but they should be verifiable by others in some fashion. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 09:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Questions from User:Ainym

 * -Actually Call For Rise has just been registered as a Welfare Society, it used to exist as only 'Call For Rise' couple of weeks back... So its website's content is according to 'Call For Rise' yet, not 'Call For Rise Welfare Society'...
 * I have edited some content of website with 'Welfare Society' tag, so soon Google will update the index with Call For Rise Welfare Society and your search will not create just a blank result...
 * @News and Books etc.... How do you guys can expect a NEW organization to be in news and books already?? Does Wikipedia is only for old and already built organizations?? I mean how can you check the credibility of a new organization by searching it on news and books and other websites?? You should check its website? Should see its work?? innit?
 * --Ainym (talk) 11:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC) — Ainym (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Response to User:Ainym:
 * Updating the organization's web site with the new name won't make a difference, sorry. The issue at hand is: what do unrelated third-party verifiable reliable sources (online or not) say about the organization? Currently, it appears that they don't say anything at all. Given that the article needs to be based entirely on those third-party sources (the web site itself can only be used to corroborate information found elsewhere), there's nothing to write an article about.
 * WP doesn't expect new organizations to be mentioned in the media. But it does expect that notable ones will, and that is what matters. If your organization is not yet notable, then it's not going to have an article here… yet.
 * Given that you said you're editing the organization's site, it's easy to guess that you have a relationship of some sort with CFR. If that's the case (and even if it isn't), I cannot recommend too strongly that you read both WP:COI and WP:FAQ/Organizations. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 01:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.