Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calling Out the Chords, Vol. 1


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus for Double Live and redirect the other three to Rheostatics. There was enough consensus to redirect the other three as an alternative to deletion. Not enough participation after two relistings to build consensus on whether the mentioned sources are enough to satisfy any notability guidelines. (non-admin closure)  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 07:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Calling Out the Chords, Vol. 1

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I'm nominating a few articles of live albums by the band Rheostatics. I feel that none of them are notable, as they do not fulfil either GNG or music notability guidelines. A re-direct to Rheostatics would be my preferred outcome. The band is notable and at least some of their studio albums appear to be notable, but I do not think these live albums worthy of their own articles. JohnmgKing (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. JohnmgKing (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. JohnmgKing (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. JohnmgKing (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because I do not think any of these live albums are sufficiently notable to warrant their own article. I do not think there is significant coverage on any of them.

JohnmgKing (talk) 19:50, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Double Live - Just starting to look at these, but sometimes clumping albums together isn't great. Exclaim! writes of Double Live: "Double Live is released with low expectations, but becomes their second-biggest album and a touchstone for a new generation of fans. Says Bidini, "Double Live was the #1 campus radio record that year in Earshot, which freaked me out. Because, whatever, it was a live record sandwiched between albums. We didn't really do anything to promote it. We sold a lot; I think that and Melville are neck and neck. For whatever reason, that one registered." Improbable for aging Canadian cult heroes, the Rheostatics' audience starts to get younger." There's also the very positive AllMusic review, Have Not Been the Same, Vancouver Sun (can't read it)... I'm in the States, so don't know too much about other Canadian sources... Caro7200 (talk) 20:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all - None of them have any significant coverage. Especially Calling Out the Chords, Vol. 1, which has no content, or significant sources that mention the album at all. There are many album articles out there lacking sources, and I'll try to find some more. 🌴Koridas🌴 (Negotiate) 20:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I did notice the Double Live coverage, but Allmusic is not a reliable source. The Exclaim source features a band member in what appears to be an interview-like format, reducing its reliability- also its reference to 'Double Live' is very brief. In any case I don't see evidence of independent notability guidelines being met. I do mostly nominate single articles and will be careful when 'clumping', perhaps these articles are not similar enough to do so? As they are all poorly sourced articles about live albums by a single band, I feel they are good candidates for this kind of nomination. JohnmgKing (talk) 21:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * AllMusic is a reliable source when it comes to reviews and staff-written biographies. Exclaim! is also a reliable source.  I wouldn't call that article an interview; however, interviews published in reliable sources are edited and fact-checked. I agree that the other albums may not be notable.  Caro7200 (talk) 21:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification and useful comments, I didn't know that about AllMusic. JohnmgKing (talk) 22:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect all to Rheostatics: Barely found anything about the albums. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Double Live, delete and/or redirect the rest. These were created at a different time in Wikipedia's history, when our notability standards for albums were very different than they are today — once upon a time, the only notability claim an album actually had to have was that a notable band had recorded it. That's quite obviously and rightly no longer the standard that applies today: albums need to have much stronger notability claims, and much better sourcing to support them, than they had to have in 2007 or 2012. Double Live actually does have that — in addition to the sources identified by Caro7200 above, there are also several pieces of coverage from major daily newspapers available in a ProQuest search — but the others don't. Difference being, they were still at the height of their careers when Double Live came out — by the time any of the others did, they were on hiatus and basically just cleaning out their archives, so those albums just never had the same impact. I've already bolstered the referencing on Double Live, for the record (pun semi-intended). Bearcat (talk) 04:07, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 01:05, 20 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Please add comments, thanks

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BEAMALEXANDER25,   talk  14:44, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


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