Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cam Valley


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The result was Redirect to Cam Brook. Nakon 01:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Cam Valley

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Neither of the two river/brook valleys listed (there are seven River Cams or Cam Rivers) has an actual article, so what's the point of this so-called dab page? At best, it's an incomplete rehashing of Cam (disambiguation) Cam River. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 01:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Cam Brook The first entry is invalid as 'Cam Valley' is not mentioned on it. However, the second one is clearly valid (Cam Brook has a whole section entitled 'Cam Valley' so this title can redirect there. I've checked all the other possible entries at Cam (disambiguation) and Cam River, none of them mention the term 'Cam Valley'. Boleyn (talk) 09:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 02:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Redirect per Boleyn and common sense. Tavix | Talk  04:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. While the argument by User:Boleyn in favour of converting this to a redirect to Cam Brook in Somerset is fully in line with the relevant Wikipedia rules, most of the first page or so of Google hits seems instead to use the term for various parts of the drainage basin of the River Cam that flows through Cambridge. It therefore seems to be slightly perverse (rather than "common sense") to have a straight redirect to somewhere quite different. PWilkinson (talk) 18:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 12:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment, you make some interesting comments, do you have a counter-proposal? Do you think a section is needed/useful in a River Cam to make it a valid dab? 21:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I am finding it difficult to come up with a workable counter-proposal. It would definitely be useful to have a Cam valley section in River Cam, but I can't currently work out how to write this from reliable sources without synthesis. The problem is that the reliable sources tend to be, for instance, geological and archeological papers that mention the "Cam valley" in relation to sites in Cambridgeshire and surrounding counties but assume that the reader won't need to ask what the Cam valley is. Conversely, this map, from the Cam Valley Forum website explains it beautifully (including, though it is probably not intending to, why the archeologists and geologists consider places near Royston and Saffron Walden to be in the Cam valley), but I very much doubt that we would consider the website reliable. PWilkinson (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
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