Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cambridge University Wine Society (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Thanks to Hugop777 and Lockley for improving the article during the debate. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  08:51, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Cambridge University Wine Society
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A purely local organisation. Being 200 years old and having notable members are not evidence of notability. I question whether it is notable even within the university itself. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC) &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete notability is not inherited from famous alumni Seasider91 (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete GNG not met, and as stated above, you can't inherit notability from event speakers or alumni. The previous AfD closed as "Redirect" but I don't see any justifiable reason to reinstate a redirect. Exemplo347 (talk) 20:28, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I think this society is a well-known society, not only within Cambridge but also within the international wine trade. This society gave rise to a number of famous alumni who got into wine related career after frequenting it. Notably Hugh Johnson, famous for being a wine writer said he "began his lifelong passion for wine as a member of The Wine and Food Society at Cambridge University". David Peppercorn, also a wine writer, was the president of this society in 1952 and decided to start a career in wine writing instead of law (he was reading law at Cambridge) after frequenting the wine society. A number of books and articles are mentionning the society whose members are competing in international blind wine tasting competitions around the world. Part of the history of this wine society along with the history of the Oxford University Wine Society has been documented in Reds, Whites & Varsity Blues, edited by Jennifer Segal and cited in this article. Some of the events organised by the society have been relayed in the press such as the 350th anniversary of Samuel Pepys mention of Chateau Haut-Brion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugop777 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've have a go at this, expanded and sourced some of it, but I'm not going to vote because it's still not notable.  In its favor it's a real thing, yeah it's had a big impact in the world of British wine writers (....), and we seem to carry articles about other Cambridge clubs.  --Lockley (talk) 08:18, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep. some student societies at the most famous universities can be notable. This is one of them,because of its apparent influence DGG ( talk ) 07:53, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete reluctantly because of it apparent influence, but it still lacks good solid coverage, and fails WP:GNG. For example, the cited New York Times article about collegiate wine rivalry does not even mention the society, neither does the Wall Street Journal article. Actual mentions are in passing. --Bejnar (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep reasonably well-sourced; enough at least to pass GNG Chetsford (talk) 22:18, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree, please point to two independent reliable sources that contain significant coverage of the society. --Bejnar (talk) 03:22, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric  08:32, 9 July 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Also to discuss a potential merge/redirect instead of keeping/deleting
 * Keep passes GNG. Artw (talk) 09:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  08:49, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as I agree there's clear significance in an article, and there exists no promotionalism which otherwise would be different. SwisterTwister   talk  23:29, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


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