Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camden College of English


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 20:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Camden College of English

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This looks like fairly blatant spamvertorial to me, and I can't see any way this college differs from any of the thousands of other TEFL colleges in every major English-speaking city. Given that it's been live for four years now and edited by multiple editors - none of whom appear to have seen any problem with it - I'll give it benefit of the doubt and bring it over for discussion, but I'm really not seeing it in this case. – iride  scent  20:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. Their one remote claim to fame, that on 02 March 2006, the British Council announced that Language in London (previously called Camden College of English) had won the ELTON for Innovation in English Language Teaching was actually series of awards in which five other organisations also 'won' . ninety:one 20:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete as spam. Almost a G11 speedy. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 07:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete -- colleges merely providing course to foreign students in the English language are harly notable. If it has been renamed, the article should be moved to its new name, but deletion would be better still.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not an expert on Wikipedia, so please forgive if I have not entered the details correctly. As the Principal of the school, I may be able to answer some questions. Firstly, the British Council ELTONS are the most important awards in the English teaching world and Camden College of English / Language in London is still the only school in the world to have won. The winners last year were the BBC and in previous years it is mainly the major publishers who get the awards. There are three winners each year - so to say our prize was meaningless because others also won is a bit silly. In fact, it's like saying let's not mention Jack Nicholson got an Oscar because there were other winners that night. The reason we are the only school to ever win is that we developed a course and with it a method of teaching that is different to other schools and that has to be worth a mention. Wikipedia is not a source of advertising for us and I'd be very happy if your removed anything that made it look like a "spamevertorial". Would it be better for me to write an article on the course itself and why it is different / won the prize etc.? I'll check back and answer any questions you might have. Stuart Rubenstein LondonEnglish (talk) 15:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC), Principal, Language in London.
 * Writing articles about your own organisation is generally discouraged. If you really really want an article, you can follow the procedure here and hope for the best. Bear in mind, however:
 * 1) Most articles on Wikipedia stay or go depending on the General Notability Guideline, which is that the subject of the article must have non-trivial coverage in independent third-party sources. Awards are a weaker claim, especially if the awards themselves aren't that notable.
 * 2) Once an article has been accepted on Wikipedia, you have no control over what goes in it. If there is anything written about your College which you'd rather was kept quiet, chances are it will find its way in eventually. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 16:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Stuart, please read WP:ORG, which is our guideline just for companies. The article would have to meet this guideline, which I think is unlikely. ninety:one  18:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Very interesting. I've followed the links and certainly know much more about the world of wikipedia than I did before. Don't want to have an argument with anyone and will bow to your judgement and accept any advice. Stuart Rubenstein LondonEnglish (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
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