Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cameron Howe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is a consensus among registered editors that the subject's many quotes to do not constitute in-depth coverage of the subject.  A  Train talk 07:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Cameron Howe

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial, in-depth support. red dogsix (talk) 20:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable local journalist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep: Cameron Howe is a Melbourne-based journalist who regularly works with larger media outlets including, Fairfax and News Limited newspapers, in addition to writing for a number of independent publications. This site should not be deleted for the above reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.26.130 (talk) — 121.214.26.130 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - please demonstrate how the article meets the criteria in WP:N. red dogsix (talk) 15:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Save - the above comments regarding the deletion of this webpage fail to support their claims with any meaningful information, and other Wikipedia users have not been given the opportunity to add further information to this webpage. The comments regarding the deletion of this webpage can only be described as cyber bulling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.26.130 (talk) 07:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is no cyberbulling here and your comment only shows your lack of understanding of Wikipedia guidelines.  Please see WP:N for information about article inclusion requirements, also please read WP:AGF before responding to anyone's comments.    red dogsix (talk) 15:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Consistently quoted and mentioned in numerous news sites. I would recommend holding off. The page was just created and A7 was declined. Subuey (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - Being quoted is not a criteria for inclusion into Wikipedia.  Please show how the article meets WP:BIO.  red dogsix</i> (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not see anything that says that. Subuey (talk) 05:26, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I have not seen such uniformly poor !votes at an AfD in a long time. I encourage participants to read WP:AADD and actually cite some policies, sources, and attempts to locate sources in their arguments.
 * Delete as insufficiently notable. SunChaser (talk) 01:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails GNG. Carrite (talk) 18:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 23:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment per Wikipedia:Notability (people) "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" The sources in the article meet this criteria. Subuey (talk) 03:40, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment-Lets be accurate, the full quote is, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.". The coverage fails to support notability.  red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The coverage is not trivial. It is usually an introductory sentence, and then a sentence or two of quotation.Subuey (talk) 03:35, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete as there are no actual sources discussing the subject himself, only a scant handful of unimportant local sources that either mention him in passing or are written by him. TheValeyard (talk) 00:48, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The coverage is of state significance on a host of political issues that could determine the result of the next state election in 2018, not to mention that the Mordialloc Chronicle which he writes for has received a capital injection. The Chronicle Newspaper Group is challenging News Corp's Leader newspaper group with the intention of having 55 newspaper by the end of 2018. He currently writes for 3 newspapers and again regularly commentates on issues of state political significance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.108.231 (talk) 06:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)  — 1.144.108.231 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Just to add. He is a media source quoted in national newspapers owned by Fairfax Media - The Age, Bendigo Advertiser, etc and News Corp - The Herald Sun, Leader, The Daily Telegraph etc. Also referred to in a press release by a notable political in state government and had his views read out in Parliament — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.108.231 (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no in-depth coverage about the subject from independent reliable sources. Most are just articles written by the subject of the BLP does not pass WP:BIO or WP:GNG. It is not widely cited so it also fails WP:JOURNALIST. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - Surely the largest newspapers in Australia are considered to be independent reliable sources? There seems to be 50+ articles of which the subject has been quoted in. Perhaps these could be added to the article on the subject to avoid deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.107.112 (talk) 23:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)  — 1.144.107.112 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment - Quotes are neither in-depth nor non-trivial coverage. red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk)}
 * Show a page that supports that as being trivial. Subuey (talk) 05:15, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * How about just common sense? red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 06:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There are bound to be differences of opinion, but policy does not show that these are trivial. Subuey (talk) 23:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Being quoted in a newspaper a few times does not make someone pass WP:NBIO. I'd suggest merging to a page on either the Carrum and Patterson Lakes Forum or the Mordialloc Chronicle, but neither have an existing article, nor are they likely notable either. Kb.au (talk) 03:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject has been included in discussion within Parliament, Australian TV, national print media coverage and local print media coverage - this overcomesWP:NBIO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.26.97 (talk) 07:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)  — 121.219.26.97 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment It should be noted that all keep novotes, except for the one made by Subuey, have been made by IP accounts with no other prior contributions to the project (except one with 3 edits to another article). --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete there's no claim that he meets any SNG (including WP:NAUTHOR) or is particularly important in any way. The references (other than his personal website) are him acting as a spokesperson in local news, and are very much reference-bombing (SIX references for "is a frequent media commentator", all of which are simply places he has been quoted in news stories, and not about him or his media-commentating actions). power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 11:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.