Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cameron Mawer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete all. The Rambling Man 12:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Cameron Mawer

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Has never played in a professional league. Mattythewhite 11:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:


 * Delete - I notice that an article about one of his team mates was deleted a couple of weeks ago for much the same reason as has been listed above (see Articles for deletion/Danny Knowles (2 nomination) for more details). If this is the case with all of the players from this team, then, much as I hate to say it having spent the last twenty minutes or so categorising them, they should probably all be deleted. Paul20070 11:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not all of his team mates should be deleted; some have played in the Football League, so they're okay. Mattythewhite 11:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds fair enough. Just those who haven't played in the Football League should go then. Paul20070 11:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Have nominated Danny Knowles for speedy deletion as a delete was the result of the previous discussion. Paul20070 12:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * IMO I don't really see much wrong with his inclusion in Wikipedia.. he has played for a League club. One thing, is the guidelines of WP:BIO is simply only a guideline and that it doesn't say a player has had to play a match for the team, just that they have "played in a fully professional league" - perhaps not having to play a match. Mattythewhite 12:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ok. I've changed the speedy delete and added him to the list above so we can get some consensus on the subject. If he's a league player, then he should stay and the article be expanded. Paul20070 12:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * According to this BBC report, Danny Knowles did not play for Gillingham in the FL. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦ · Talk 23:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to agree, I created articles for a few of these players a little while ago, without knowing they had to have played in the League. These articles are useless and have little information in them. There are many articles on Conference footballers that have never played League football, for example Onome Sodje - should this be deleted as well? What do people regard as professional? Grays are full time footballers, is this not regarded as pro?
 * Also Tangerine, I think Matty was stating he's been at a 'pro' club, although not played as have many Grays players. Personally, I think Cameron Mawer should be allowed to have an article as he graduated Watford's Youth Academy, played various England Youth levels and played in the reserves/had trials for various league clubs. Jimbo online 14:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "Grays are full time footballers, is this not regarded as pro?" - the relevant guideline (WP:BIO) states that players have to have played in a fully professional league. The Conference is not fully professional, therefore if a player has not played above Conference level then he does not pass the guideline.  And yes, Onome Sodje should be deleted, as he doesn't meet the requirement..... ChrisTheDude 14:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh right, thanks for clearing that up. Jimbo online 14:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all None appear to have played in a professional league and have little prospect of doing so in the immediate future. Dave101 →talk  12:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all, without prejudice of recreation should any player achieve play professional football. The Rambling Man 13:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all very short articles about players who have never played prrofessionally. --  Ban Ray   13:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Number   5  7  15:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all without prejudice per The Rambling Man. Grays Athletic may be currently a non-league side, but it's quite possible that these players progress in the future. Cheers, DWaterson 23:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all unless it can be shown that any meet WP:BIO for footballers.  Eliminator JR Talk  23:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.