Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camilla (singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep as article was improved.  FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  09:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Camilla (singer)

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Tagged for notability 2 years ago; still fails notability with a single non-independent source. Searching turns up no reliable and independent sources supporting notability. In my view, fails also for having no reliable sources. Was PRODed last month and declined (tag removed). Prior to this just one significant (unreferenced) edit in the last year. For the record, I have no connection with last month's PROD; I came across this as a random article.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 19:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)




 * Keep per WP:ENT and continue improvements. It is a pity that it sat unimproved for 2 years... but sources existed for improvement. That her career has not sat idle worked to our advantage.  So I just took the version and gave it a facelift and added verifcation of her career.  The article needs to be renamed Camilla (actress) because her verifiable work in theater and television pushes at WP:ENT while her work as a singer does not seem to.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion but marginal substantiation. All of the sources which you (very commendably) added are passing mentions only (possibly excepting the subscription source, which I could not access). I realise that notability for an actress is established by multiple significant roles rather than by significant media coverage, but doubt whether Camilla has met this requirement: more than half of the new sources relate to a single reality TV show where she seems to have made an early exit. The total amounts to appearances in about three TV shows, none of them a really significant role, and nothing since 2006. This is not, in my view, a notable career. Having said that, however, you deserve credit for trying to save the article, which is very much in the WP spirit!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 05:49, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The article you brought to AFD was indeed in a sorry state and was screaming for cleanup... needing someone to go through it and address format and style and provide the verifiability required in a BLP. So I spent a very few minutes addressing BLP issues so a better article can await consensus.  I kept in mind that 1), a career begun only in 2002 did not halt in 2006, 2) WP:V does not mandate that verification of an WP:ENT assertion must itself be substantial coverage, as SNGs are set in place for situations where assertions require verifiability when sigcov is lacking, 3) Wikipedia is not about only the most notable actors ever and includes those who might be deemed as just notable enough, and 4), while related, WP:V and WP:N are not the same thing.  Certainly this actress does not have the level of notability as someone like Angelica Huston, but it might be seen that the spirit of WP:ENT is met through looking at a career totality... in this minor actress having recurred in 2005 as Bethany Mortimer in 5 episodes of Footballers' Wives, in 2009 as Leigh Anne in 6 episodes of Lunch Monkeys, in 2010 in 3 episodes of Push, again in 2010 as Zahra in 5 episodes of Peep Show, as Natalie in 2 episodes of Top Boy, in 2011 as Jasmine in 2 episodes of White Van Man, and in 2012 as Alice Hadley-Richards in (so far) 3 episodes of Doctors... roles where her characters were not simply forgettable background but were significant to plot and development of an ongoing storyline. If she ever gets her own TV series rather than guest in so many, or if she steps away from episodic television to win a few film roles, a case for notability would be certainly be stronger. Is she the most notable actress ever?  Not yet.  Is she maybe just notable enough?  Perhaps. Does it serve the project for the article to remain now and be further improved over time and through regular editing?  I think yes.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Article is now well sourced (thank you Schmidt!) and passes WP:GNG easily. Let's remember that if an article can be improved, we don't delete. -- Cycl o pia talk  10:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.