Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camilo Him


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 04:29, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Camilo Him

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. References lack independence or are trivial. Fails WP:BIO. red dog six (talk) 15:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: I closed Articles for deletion/Big Shows as merge to Camilo Him, so feel free to delete as well should this end with a delete. -- slakr  \ talk / 08:05, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. I don't think this article is subject to deletion based on WP:CSD, so I removed the tag. At the same time, I removed a couple sentences in the beginning that are copied/pasted material from websites. Just because I removed the tag doesn't mean the article is not deletable per the usual notability guidelines.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:36, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: The related article Big Shows should perhaps be considered in this same deletion discussion. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:56, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Reddogsix,
 * Comment - seems borderline, but if the Big Shows content also by editor User:Vlaich was merged in then the two together would probably be notable, with a bit of trimming. [Note to eventual closer, please don't delete both without further discussion if a merge is supported here]. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - this article relates to Big Shows and was created for it because there was a comment that it was orphan. Here is the important discussion you should decide on (copied conversation from Big Shows talk):

With all due respect, I have to assume that you know much much better about the fashion world than the fashion elite: Anna Sui, Carolina Herrera, Ralph Rucci, Carmen Marc Valvo, Rebecca Minkoff, Dennis Basso, Lubov Azria, Zang Toi, Naeem Khan, Vivienne Tam, Reem Acra, Custo Dalmau and Mara Hoffman or celebrities like: Karlie Kloss, Sandra Bernhard, Karolina Kurkova, Selita Ebanks, Eve, Nana Meriwether, Sean Young and Nigel Barker (who are these people anyways?)... not to mention Lincoln Center and Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week organization who allowed 30 aluminum prints 24" x 36" (an incredible big space ... basketball court size) just for a Non-Notable Photo Show by Non-Notable Photographer..

The fashion elite even wasted their time not just to see the exhibit but to sign prints of this Non-Notable Photo Show by Non-Notable Photographer!

Really? Here take 1 min to look for yourself... visual proof (don't take my word for it): http://bigshowsny.tumblr.com

You know best! Vlaich (talk) 08:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Your sarcasm is misplaced if not bordering on WP:UNCIVIL. What I can say is it appears I have a better understanding of Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion than it appears you do.  Notability is not about popularity, it is about meeting certain Wikipedia guidelines.  If you have not already done so, I suggest you read WP:42.  red dog six  (talk) 21:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is fine with me if you so desperately want to delete this article. Your comment is ALL and ONLY about POPULARITY: Non-Notable Photo Show by Non-Notable Photographer. You could have said please improve content/writing within X time... it was not about content nor proof of such exhibit having taken place!


 * At least you and Wikipedia editors can see that there was a Big Shows Exhibit at the Lincoln Center during Mercedes Benz Fashion Week and it was indeed attended "Exclusively" by very important people in the fashion industry. It was not a 2 photo exhibit that's for sure! It would have been nice that people in general knew that this exhibit and event took place... but maybe not ) Vlaich (talk) 10:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll let you decide on deleting these 2 articles or let me know which should be kept and edited. Just because some of you may not be in the fashion industry, it doesn't mean it is not noteworthy. Remember: "BIG SHOWS is a retrospective that highlights American Fashion Week History and its continuity in the 21st century." After all... NY fashion week started only in the 90's... and from there we got Marc Jacobs who is the designer for LV! Designers thought it was noteworthy to go to the exhibit...

BTW the exhibit will be doing a world tour.... yes to celebrate USA NY Fashion Week and designers!!!!! ...so feel free to delete the article )  added by somewhere in this set of edits 
 * , you ask above: celebrities like: Karlie Kloss, Sandra Bernhard, Karolina Kurkova, Selita Ebanks, Eve, Nana Meriwether, Sean Young and Nigel Barker (who are these people anyways? I have no idea. The names aren't even slightly familiar. I looked up the first one and found that she's a model. Perhaps because I'm not interested in clothes, I'm not the slightest bit interested in models. However, I am interested in photography. I can even manage to get interested in fashion photography. So tell us more about this photographer, please. Not which celeb turned up somewhere, but about his photographs. Base it on reliable sources. (And yes of course, people other than Vlaich are very welcome to respond.) -- Hoary (talk) 14:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I understand. no problem... but all the designers (included in txt) are well known (and the celebs too)... and all except 2 people are already in wikipedia. Others who were present and less well known I did not add. BTW I can include/un-orphan (either) article by adding a comment to Fern Mallis page (who was at the exhibit and did a radio interview on the exhibit/photographer)... she was the creator of Fashion Week NY (7th on 6th)... and perhaps the exhibit is but a homage to her tenure and vision. I think I understand from comments it is better to put Big Shows under Camilo rather than an article about the exhibit.... correct? OK... then I will try to do the write up from the photographer side) P.S. Sean Young (main actress in Blade Runner, Dune), Eve (Rapper), Nigel Barker (TV show), Sandra Bernhard (well known for everything ;-))

Pls advice. thx Vlaich (talk) 22:10, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Started working on merging page and adding info.... Vlaich (talk) 09:23, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - now with the two pages merged and more sources added to each this passes WP:GNG. Well done Vlaich. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Vlaich (talk) 04:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC) 
 * Please Review and Comment Thx ictu oculi for the feedback. I added all new info and sources. Anybody else who has a say in keeping/deleting article should check...
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 09:10, 13 February 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep: Notable photographer with fashion photographs in top international fashion magazines. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - Notable how? red dog six  (talk) 15:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Vlaich (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC) 
 * When? Hi, when do i know an article is OK (how many editors must say keep)? And when is it OK to remove deletion notice on a page?
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 07:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.