Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Agawam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Withdraw, pointed out sources I failed to com across, passes GNG. (non-admin closure) John F. Lewis (talk) 15:57, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Camp Agawam

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A search turned up primary sources only, matching names appear to not be based on this topic, contented CSD by author, removed by User:Espresso Addict as possible future notability. Brought for discussion as borders failing WP:GNG. John F. Lewis (talk) 23:58, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

So, yes...I don't think it should be deleted as I recently created the article and have not had time to grow it. There was an issue on notable sources and I have one ... . I would like to further discuss the reasons for deletion. Mfribbs (talk) 00:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I deleted a version of this in 2007 and it was deleted again in 2012 for being promotional. Looking at the 2012 version, which was indeed a terribly promotional article, I think it is possible that the camp might be notable, even though none of the versions has successfully demonstrated this so far. It appears to have been in existence continuously since 1919, and is thus approaching its centenary. I'm completely inexperienced in this content area, but having trawled around most of the other camps in the infobox "Summer camps in the U.S. state of Maine" (eg see Camp Arcadia), it appears no less notable than the majority. I advised the creator to find independent reliable sources and feel that it would be helpful if s/he were given a little breathing space to try to find them. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:15, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The Google News search turns up hits from independent sources including Boston Globe, Portland Press Herald, Sun Journal and Camping Magazine; I can't access the full articles for most of these, unfortunately. Google Books turns up, which claims to be listing only "the top fifty camps in America", plus a mention in Stephen King's novels, Pet Sematary & Dreamcatcher, which tends to suggest it's well known. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:29, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep, per nontrivial national and local press coverage of the camp and its associated charitable programme uncovered by Mfribbs and myself, as well as the national award from the American Camp Association. Other not-so-Googleable sources are very likely to exist for an organisation founded in 1919 and continuously active since then. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:32, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. I have found several WP:RS supporting WP:GNG, including "Turning boys into men; Camp Agawam in Raymond celebrates 90 years of summer tutelage" (16 September 2009, Portland Press Herald), and the Boston Globe's 1988 charming feature on the camp, in which the writer said it provided an anachronistic relief from "the age of ego and vulgarity".  ("THE TIME OF THEIR LIVES", Peter Anderson, 26 June 1988, The Boston Globe)  For me, the most convincing argument was made by then-Senator Susan Collins on the Senate floor: "'Agawam has an exceptional history as one of the Nation's oldest summer camps. Founded in 1919, Agawam was owned and operated continuously by the Mason family until 1985. Throughout its history, Camp Agawam has provided a unique and exciting summer camp program for boys from Maine and from across the country. The talented staff and counselors at Agawam continue to carry on the Mason family's vision of providing a safe, positive environment for boys to make lifelong friends and foster skills through outdoor recreation and activities. Agawam has made significant contributions to youth in Maine's local communities. Strongly supported by camp alumni and parents, the camp's Maine Idea program highlights the impressive commitment by Agawam to provide free campership opportunities to Maine boys. This is truly a meaningful investment in Maine's most precious resource—our children.'"  Andrew327 05:41, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep Suitable coverage certainly exists for a prominent 90+ year old camp. Now it appears that that has been proven out. North8000 (talk) 11:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sources are already plentiful, and there are one or two more on HighBeam. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep There are, as I know of, approx. 7 resources. The article is much more expanded now than it was when it was proposed for deletion. I think if this article is deleted, than most of the camp articles in Maine should be as well. Also to note, I have several other sources that are notable when it comes time to add them to the article.Mfribbs (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep It appears notable to me. --evrik (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
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