Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Confidential


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The result was   keep. It's an interestign question whether a book can be notable when it has several RS reviews, but all of them say it is unimportant. By our current GNG standards, it is. I think that's a little ridiculous, but such is our guideline. I very much think it should change, but I can't close on the basis of what I think ought to be the guideline.  DGG ( talk ) 06:25, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Camp Confidential

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doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK, non-notable but apparently was a popular series, (google reveals lots of booksellers and blogs only) by a non notable author, also up for afd Coolabahapple (talk) 05:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:54, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The review notes: "Launching the Camp Confidential series, this lukewarm tale centers on an 11-year-old New Yorker whose mother sends her to Camp Lakeview for eight weeks. ... Despite Morgan's typecasting (the athlete, the comedienne, the practical joker, the manipulative bully), these young characters—Natalie included—are curiously bland, offering readers little incentive to reach for this month's second camp caper, Jenna's Dilemma (0-448-43738-4 ). Ages 9-12. (Apr.)" From School Library Journal (excerpt from http://www.amazon.com/Natalies-Secret-1-Camp-Confidential/dp/0448437376): "Grade 4-6–Natalie Goode, 11, is a true city girl who loves all the wonderful amenities of her life in New York City. Imagine her trauma when her mother tells her that she is going to spend eight weeks at a camp in Pennsylvania. When she arrives, things are worse than she imagined. Her bunk is run-down, the showers are gross, and she finds a spider in the toilet. Fortunately, her bunkmates come from different places and Natalie begins to appreciate their unique talents and personalities. When she meets Simon, a cute fellow camper, things definitely begin to improve. However, complications arise when Natalie's father makes a surprise visit, for she hasn't told anyone that her dad is Tad Maxwell, the famous action-movie star. Soon, Natalie must face her new friends and deal with the fact that she hasn't been truthful. The first book in the series is a satisfying read. The subject matter and the characters are nothing new but fans of series books about girls will enjoy it.–Linda Zeilstra Sawyer, Skokie Public Library, IL" This review is about the book Natalie's Secret #1 (Camp Confidential).  The article notes: "Camp Confidential - Natalie's Secret Melissa J Morgan RRP $9.95 Natalie's Secret is the first book in the Camp Confidential series about a group of girls who have all found themselves at Camp Lakeview for different reasons. Each girl - Natalie, Jenna, Grace and Alex - is keeping a secret which could get in the way of them becoming friends. Natalie, 11, comes from New York and summer camp in Pennsylvania for eight weeks is not her idea of fun."  The article notes: "It's not great literature, but the 'Camp Confidential' series by Melissa J. Morgan makes diverting summer reading for middle-grade girls. Each of the four books in the series focuses on a particular character's experiences at Camp Lakeview. All of the typical pre-teen and teen situations are here -- best-friend problems, boy trouble, etc. The stories move quickly, and the characters are believable. (Ages 9-12)" From the journal Children's Literature (excerpt from http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ttyl-melissa-j-morgan/1100537831): "Children's Literature - Anita Barnes Lowen TTYL (talk to you later) promise the girls who shared Bunk 3C at an eight-week-long sleep-away camp. Through emails, instant messaging, and blogging, these far-apart friends keep in touch, give advice, and help each other work through the problems of boyfriends, middle school, and parents. There is Natalie who loves shopping, sushi, and hanging out with her best friend Hannah. But Natalie is growing up fast and has a new interest…boys! Now Hannah is acting weird. Could Hannah be worried that Natalie is outgrowing her? Grace discovers drama at camp. She wants to join the after-school drama club but her parents say no. Grace is not the kind of girl who normally goes against her parents' wishes, but 'desperate times call for desperate measures, don't they?' Jenna is tired of shuttling back and forth between her newly divorced mom and dad. It is not fair she is missing her friends' parties because she is expected to spend every weekend with her Dad. Her parents are the ones who split up. So why is Jenna the one who is suffering? And Alex is discovering that middle school is a whole lot different from elementary school. She has to try out for soccer for the first time ever. Alex knows she will not be a star like she was in fifth grade, but will she even make the team? From the 'Camp Confidential' series, this book is a quick, easy, and entertaining read for girls only." This review is about TTYL (Camp Confidential Series #5). From the journal Children's Literature (excerpt from http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ttyl-melissa-j-morgan/1100537831): "Children's Literature - Julie Williams Jenna, Natalie, Grace, and Alex have a great summer being bunkmates at Camp Lakeview, but now that summer is over, each of them returns home to school. As they each make the exciting, yet scary transition into middle school, they also tackle minor problems that will require the support of others. Because of Jenna's parents' divorce, she must spend every weekend with her dad, causing her to miss weekend parties with her friends. After hearing about the illness of a fellow camper's dad, Jenna learns to be grateful for time spent with her own. Meanwhile, Natalie feels like things between herself and her best friend, Hannah, just are not the same. Natalie befriends a boy named Simon at camp, but after starting back to school, she finds herself liking Kyle as well. Hannah feels left out and thinks that Natalie just does not have time for her and a boyfriend. Grace has problems of her own: experience with drama makes her look forward to joining the drama club at school, but her parents refuse to allow it. Going against her parents, Grace attends drama club after school, until her parents put an end to it. Finally, Alex, who has always been good at soccer, finds that she is no longer the best, which limits her playing time. When Alex finally gets into a game and attempts to score a goal, she falls and sprains her ankle. Though potentially devastating, these challenges do not defeat Alex. Throughout each of their individual problems, the girls advise each other through email and instant messaging documents, which the author Melissa Morgan includes in the book. After all the problems are solved, the girls set a date for a camp reunion. Although these girls grow from childhood to adolescence,their problems make them realize that they have much more to learn. 'The Camp Confidential TTYL' series explains the stories of these girls' lives at different stages, and Melissa Morgan ensures that one need not read the previous books to follow and enjoy the current installment. Reviewer: Julie Williams" This review is about TTYL (Camp Confidential Series #5).</li> <li>From the journal Children's Literature (excerpt from http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/over-and-out-melissa-j-morgan/1100671255): Children's Literature Jenna Bloom, a notorious practical joker, enjoys another wonderful summer at camp until the snobby Blake Wetherly shows up. Her camp experience worsens when she fractures her leg and later gets blamed for pranks she did not pull. Feeling that life is not fair, Jenna begins to indulge in self-pity, jealousy and anger. As a result, she isolates herself from her friends. Determined to prove her innocence, Jenna discovers the identity of the camp prankster. At the same time, she learns the real meaning of friendship. Ultimately, she leaves camp with her friendships repaired and her name cleared. Unfortunately, Morgan’s novel falls short in its storytelling. Even though it is a part of a series, there is not enough character development to draw in readers. The entire story is focused on static characters and ends unrealistically. The plot and situations are superficial, petty and completely predictable. Though the author attempts to emphasize the importance of friendship, the message gets lost in an ending that seems rushed and underdeveloped. Morgan underestimates the intelligence of her target audience and leaves readers feeling indifferent to the fate of the characters. Reviewer: Alexia Murdock This review is about Over and Out (Camp Confidential Series #10).</li> <li>From the journal Children's Literature (excerpt from http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/second-times-the-charm-melissa-j-morgan/1100650450): "Children's Literature - Suzanna E. Henshon Have you ever dreamt of attending summer camp away from home? Natalie Goode can hardly wait for her second summer at Camp Lakeview, where she will reunite with the girls from bunk 3C. What could be better than seeing old friends and making new ones? Natalie is eager to reconnect with Alyssa, her best friend, and to see her potential boyfriend, Simon. But when Natalie arrives at camp, there's a girl named Tori, who seems to steal Natalie's thunder from the get-go. Not only that, but Natalie's not sure that she and Simon are really on the same page relationship-wise. What happens if the connection that Natalie feels isn't mutual? During the weeks at camp, Alyssa and Natalie stop spending time together, and Natalie becomes jealous of the glamorous Tori. Finally, after a heart-to-heart talk with Alyssa, Natalie realizes that the second time's the charm after all. Young girls will enjoy the latest addition to the 'Camp Confidential' series. Reviewer: Suzanna E. Henshon, Ph.D." This review is about Second Time's the Charm (Camp Confidential Series #7).</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Camp Confidential to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 23:47, 10 March 2015 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Comment. Publishers Weekly reviewed the first book in the series (and didn't much like it) . That's the only online independent reliable source I've found so far, but her Scholastic page indicates that School Library Journal reviewed it as well.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:25, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * This article is about the Camp Confidential series. Most of the sources are about books in the series. I think that it is best to have a single article about the books (and then do WP:SPINOFFs for any books that can have more written about them). Cunard (talk) 23:47, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Keep as per User:Cunard. I also searched and quickly found reviews .E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:58, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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