Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp El Har


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was DELETE &mdash;Wh o uk (talk) 08:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Camp El Har
Delete. This camp is not notable. It has been de-prodded by the original creator. --Danielrocks123 22:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete: ugh, more summer camps? I say "weak" because this gets a lot of Google hits, although they all seem to be directory listings. Melchoir 01:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep.hi, i did d-prodd it, and i apologize, i was new and didn't really know the right procedure for stuff, it won't happen again. but, no, i don't think it should be deleted. i think it is note-worthy, even though it's not the most significant piece of information. it could use some expansion. Lastofthetribe 20:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 *  AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Danielrocks123 00:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 *  AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Danielrocks123 00:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete no proof of notability. -- Vary | Talk 01:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not finding many Google hits. Aplomado  talk 01:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. ILovePlankton 04:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. --Coredesat 05:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Admittedly it reads like an advert, but a camp seems like a farely significant thing. I'd like to see more information about notability and less advertising.  -- Alphachimp   talk  06:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep It's been around for almost 70 years. I figure there's gotta be something of interest in its history, even if it hasn't shown up in the article yet. - Richfife 06:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep. A camp with a 70 year history seems noteworthy. Granted though, I'm not all that knowledgeable about camps. If someone can up with more camps of the same or an older age, feel free to ignore me and delete. - Mgm|(talk) 09:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just another startlingly unspecial summer camp. -- GWO
 * Delete Are we going to have entries for every B&B, hotel, campsite, caravan park etc. around the world? Wikipedia is not a holiday brochure. Markb 10:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, long-established but ultimately nn summer camp.  Dei zio  talk 13:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and work up into a better piece Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 15:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep El Har%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Thousands of Ghits Computerjoe 's talk 15:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope you realize that the above links to a google search for "Camp". Boy oh boy, I'm really convinced now! Above user put up 136 hits for "Camp el har" and "harlin roper", while the "camp el har" search gives 6400 hits, some of which refer to a planned "camp el har" project in Uganda. Most are listings or individual's opinions of the camp. Notability is beyond obscure. Pascal.Tesson 17:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete No notability established. Zero news hits, Google hits seem to be mostly job postings. ~ trialsanderrors 15:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, stictly average summer camp. I don't see a compelling case for an article here.--Isotope23 19:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --->|Newyorktimescrossword 20:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)|
 * Delete Article is not verified. Off the top of my head, my former employer Camp William Hinds is older.  Checking online it is past its 75th anniversary now.  It is a BSA camp.  Many of the early BSA Councils opened camps in the first few years of their existence and they would thus be over 70 years now.  I suspect that there are plenty of old summer camps.  Even the article limits the claim to "first ... independent Christian camp in Texas" - which makes me think there were non-independent Christian camps in Texas before them, and probably also camps that were not explicitly Christian.  GRBerry 22:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Later Comment Discussion with User:BigDT at another summer camp's AFD has led me to think that the most relevant criteria is the proposed draft at WP:ORG. This article fails to meet it because it doesn't use third party sources to establish notability.  GRBerry 03:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, summer camps are almost always non-notable and there is nothing special about this one and the fact that it is unverified only makes it worse. -- Kjkolb 07:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability, just another camp. Inner Earth 10:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, but only if cleaned up and verified.--Anthony.bradbury 13:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:ORG. Pascal.Tesson 16:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep been established for a long time so has some history that could be expanded on. Needs to be expanded though.-- Mark S  (talk) 19:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.