Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Farwell


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The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:16, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Camp Farwell

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Appears to fail WP:CORP. Could turn up no reliable sources for Camp Farwell to establish notability, doing some deep Web searching as well as searching on Highbeam Research. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Darned pay walls.  There's a New York Times obituary for "Juma H. Farwell" (probably a database typo for Julia?), dated November 23, 1925, that (based on some of the excerpted results I got in different searches) might verify this camp's claim to be the oldest girls' camp in the U.S.  If that claim could be verified in a reliable source it would go a long way to establishing notability.  "Camp Farwell" certainly gets a lot of hits at Google Books, going way back, but many seem to be old advertisements.--Arxiloxos (talk) 07:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Add comment: I located an on-line copy of a 2008 article in Vermont Life magazine, published by the State of Vermont, and, I suppose, at least debatably a reliable source. This article verifies that the camp was founded in 1906 but uses more careful language for the "oldest" claim: "Camp Farwell . . . calls itself the oldest continually operating girls summer camp in the country." [italics added by me].--Arxiloxos (talk) 06:46, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * 'Undelete it doesnt have to be written up everywhere to be oldest camp but being the oldest camp should make it notable. can't records just prove this whether or not its gotten a lot of press?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.252.173.10 (talk) 08:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * KEEP but tag for citations, revisit on another day. If it is the "longest running all girls camp in the United States", then that alone may satisfy notability.  Being that it is a "place" and not just a "company" lets it slide long enough to establish notability (if possible) in my eyes.  Dennis Brown (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Logan Talk Contributions 01:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Weak keep. I tried again, and the Julia Farwell obit in the NYT, mentioned above, opened for me this time in pdf form. It's only four sentences. The headline is "Julia H. Farwell Dies: Educator Was a Founder of Summer Camps for Girls", and it says, in relevant part: "Farwell is regarded as one of the founders of the Summer camp movement for girls, as Camp Farwell, which she established at Wells River in 1905, is said to have been the first of its kind."  While this is not exactly rock solid, it does substantiate that this camp has been regarded as a landmark for a long, long time, and on that basis I'm persuaded we ought to let this article remain.--Arxiloxos (talk) 02:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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