Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Roosevelt (Monticello)


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The result was   Delete without prejudice against recreation with reliable sources. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 16:59, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Camp Roosevelt (Monticello)

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User:76.189.97.59 requested that I nom this for deletion. No sources, no notability. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 20:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 20:08, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - I couldn't find any coverage on this camp to establish notability. And the article has zero references. --76.189.97.59 (talk) 20:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Google searches turn up a number of references to this camp, in particular a number of articles about people who were campers or counselors (Clifford Odets! Ralph Lauren!). Also, e.g.   There's also a bunch of false positives since there were a bunch of other camps by the same name (including one that was, annoyingly, near Monticello, Virginia).  Needs further review. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:30, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, first, we can't use other Wikipedia articles (of this camp's alumni) as sources to establish the notability of this subject (the camp). And you're right, there are many places called "Camp Roosevelt" so you have to search using the camp's location, Monticello, New York. Also, as you've shown, there are just some quick mentions in a couple of recent newspaper stories about other subjects. That's it. But there's not a single reliable source that's about the camp itself. Like I said, there's just no notability. Thanks. --76.189.97.59 (talk) 00:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete - I want to say keep. Campers from the New York City metropolitan area going to Camp Roosevelt (Monticello) 1926 until the 1980s means that at least a few people have written about the topic. Such Catskills camps were the topic of several movies, but I'm not sure whether this specific camp was. Modern news articles don't add up to too much information: South Florida Sun-Sentinel January 9, 2005, "Bert Manhoff part owner of Camp Roosevelt in Monticello, N.Y., from 1964 through '83, Mr. Manhoff received the Association of Private Camps Distinguished Award in 1980."Star-Ledger July 11, 2005. New York Times August 18, 2005. You probably would need to look in older newspapers to see whether there is enough source material for an article on the topic. Google books seems to have some good hits. I think someone would need to put in the effort to pull out the source information before you could conclude the topic meets WP:GNG. No objection to recreating the article with reliable source information. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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