Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Tawonga


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was to relist. See Articles for deletion/Jewish summer camps and local organizations Dr Zak 02:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Camp Tawonga
To quote User:Saberwyn, this is a US summer camp. Unless the article can explain, through the use of verifiable information taken from reliable third-party sources, how this summer camp is significantly different from the standard, run of the mill summer camp, there is nothing we can do that the camp's own site cannot do better. Entirely non-notable.  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 05:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 05:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn camp. --Ter e nce Ong 05:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Melchoir 08:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --MaNeMeBasat 09:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete nn Lankiveil 23:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomi... hang on. -- saberwyn 23:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Abstaining per below. -- saberwyn 10:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable, 81-year-old summer camp, described by the San Francisco Chronicle as "a popular summer camp for Bay Area youngsters in the Sierra".(J.L. Pimsleur. San Francisco Chronicle. June 4, 1999: pD4.).  It has also been claimed that in September, 2004, Camp Tawonga became notable for being the first camp in North America to host the first Palestinian summer family peace camp    (Libby Traubman, and Len Traubman. "Jews who just say no--to AIPAC.Letters. Letter to the Editor." The Nation 279.16 (Nov 15, 2004): 2). Tawonga's notable peace camp was also mentioned in a July, 2003 issue of the magazine, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.   Featured March 11, 2003 on MSNBC in an article by Grechen Perry Throop for the King Features Syndicated column, Arthur Frommer's Budget Travel.   Also supported by many notable people and agencies. .   &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 06:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Viriditas- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 08:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep on condition that ext links/refs are added. ←Humus sapiens ну? 09:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * HEY!! SOURCES!!!!! Now all we need is for somebody to use those sources to construct an externally verifiable, encyclopedic article! -- saberwyn 10:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - frivolous nomination. --Leifern 12:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Frivolous nomination. Jayjg (talk) 19:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment':Hello...I wrote the article. First of all, I do not agree that it should be deleted on the basis of it not being different than the average camp (with the "traditions" section, I think I make it quite clear what makes it unique, as basically every summer camp is unique and has its own unique traditions). However, in writing the article there was one wikipedia rule that I did overlook which was original research. A good deal of the article was culled from my own experiences working there, which I'm sure you guys suspected. I'm not familiar with the intracacies of the rule and if exceptions are made, but I really don't know how to cite some of the information. Some parts like the history could be easily cited to the website but other than that, I don't know.--DanyaRomulus 19:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, I'm concerned about this campaign to delete Jewish camps. -- M P er el ( talk 19:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The nomination is against WP:POINT. Pecher Talk 20:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Jayjg and Viriditas. Unfortunately, this article is part of a large group of articles that were recently nominated for deletion and about which there is at present much friction see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Nomination by PZFUN, and Speedy keep of several articles by Slimvirgin, so it would be advisable for this nomination to be withdrawn entirely ASAP. IZAK 22:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and support IZAK request. Alithien 23:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Same nominator, same argument. These camps are different and that has not been addressed. Very hard to assume good faith given the circumstances. -- JJay 23:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep As noted by others above, this delete request is part of a rampage to delete Jewish-related articles. If it is a stub, then expand it.  Perhaps there could also be a merge with other pages on Jewish summer camps into a general article on Jewish summer camps and how they are different from "run-of-the-mill" US summer camps (i.e., their role in ethnic identify of Jews, history re: Jews being not welcome and/or proselytized by Christians in other summer camps, use of Hebrew and Yiddish languages at these camps, etc.)  But simply deleting all Jewish summer camps as "not notable" smacks of a hidden agenda against Jews. Rooster613 23:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)Rooster613Rooster613 23:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per comments above. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  01:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.