Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Campaign for Real Education


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Campaign for Real Education

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92 Google hits. Sources are primary, trivial, or about other things (e.g. an obituary). There have been problems maintaining NPOV, which seem to me to be down to the lack of substantive coverage in RS. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:22, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per Guy - given the lack of reliable 3rd party sources and mentions this would appear to be the best course of action with this page.Tonyinman (talk) 22:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep There are six respectable independent references. Rathfelder (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The organisation is notable and regularly pops up in the UK media commenting on educational matters. Not sure what's the deal with the 92 Google Hits, but there are 290 mentions of it on the BBC website alone. Number   5  7  23:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * without commenting on the merits of the nomination, a raw Google search for the organization name (in quotes) gives me half a million hits. Could you please tell us how to reproduce your result? Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 23:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , bizarre, because I got the 92 I listed, and I now get 87. Guy (help! - typo?) 13:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I get "About 571,000 results (0.59 seconds)". I cannot account for the discrepancy, but it seems to be on your end? Mackensen (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , in a private session I get 100 unique. Most odd. Guy (help! - typo?) 13:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * did you put the name in quotation marks? In any case, Google gives weird numbers (eg I got over 89,000) but if you start looking at how many pages of actual mentions there are you often find not many. In this case there were about 4 1/3 pages, not even 1,000. Doug Weller  talk 14:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought such counting had been done away with on Wikipedia many years ago. I'll explain once again. When you perform a Google search the results are first truncated (it used to be at 1000 results but may have changed since) and then Google eliminates duplicates. This results in a number that has no bearing at all on reality. For example, if I search for "Donald Trump" I get 128 hits displayed. Do you really believe that there are only 128 mentions of "Donald Trump" on the Internet? Can we please stop throwing around such numbers without understanding what they mean. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just saw three hits in Google Books testifying to their right-wing politics. Here is another hit in an educational monograph; this is short but valuable; whoa they made it into a textbook; etc. Drmies (talk) 00:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to have plenty of sources supporting notability.Slatersteven (talk) 14:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable organisation. Plenty of sources. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the aforementioned comments. Omniscientmoose42 (talk) 19:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


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