Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Campaign for a Wales cricket team


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Wales national cricket team. Guerillero Parlez Moi 16:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Campaign for a Wales cricket team

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I was about to suggest this article was renamed Wales cricket team but then I discovered the article already exists, at Wales national cricket team. There's no evidence of a coordinated campaign or organised movement calling for a Wales cricket team and all of the information here can be easily incorporated into the exisiting article (most if not all already has been). Wikipedia is not the place to launch a campaign. Sionk (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cricket and Wales. Sionk (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, per reasons above. This seems a blatant use of Wikipedia for campaigning, which I consider inappropriate for a respected and neutral source of information that Wikipedia is. BTW there is also an article Cricket in Wales where the campaign has been introduced.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  10:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - there is plenty of discussion about this and I am adding more citations as we speak. I have also tweaked the name of the page to "Movement" which is perhaps slightly more appropriate. Titus Gold (talk) 12:04, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Sources don't support the existence of such a 'campaign' or 'movement' in the generally understood sense of those terms. The discussion is adequately covered in the Wales national cricket team article. Llwyld (talk) 12:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough. Could we consider renaming the page to "Establishment of a Welsh Cricket team" instead? This is a term which is used here::https://busnes.senedd.cymru/documents/s14246/Ymateb%20ir%20Ymgynghoriad%20PET4CRI%2002%20Jonathan%20Edwards%20Saesneg%20yn%20unig.pdf Titus Gold (talk) 12:50, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not think there sufficient sources for a standalone article on the topic. I think it adequately covered by Wales_national_cricket_team. Llwyld (talk) 13:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above, article largely already exists at Welsh national cricket team. (below) –  Dank Jae  13:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, these are all of a piece with Campaign to change the WRU logo, Campaign for a Wales Olympic Team and Campaign to end the Prince of Wales title. At some point, we are going to have to face into User:Titus Gold's POV and their attempts to push their agenda on here. The clean-up required when we do will be substantial.KJP1 (talk) 14:12, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * May I suggest we keep this discussion to one of article necessity and with the [| Five Pillars] firmly in mind. Supposition about the "agenda" behind an article's creation are not a good reason for deletion. "Cleaning up" a contributor's additions based on a dislike of their "POV" is in itself, agenda driven.
 * That said, if you feel those other articles mentioned support a common problem (such as editorializing) then please bring that to the discussion. Cymrogogoch (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, both articles are historic (ie, there is no active Welsh cricket team and no active campaign), however while a perennial topic within Welsh cricket is unworthy of it's own article, this is a recurring discussion of a Welsh national discourse. The discussion has been subject to a national government committee in 2013, has seen public calls for a "national discussion" on the topic made by the First Minister in 2017, and has any number of sports journalist sources available (especially during recent events such as, the establishment of the Welsh Fire team, Test status being granted to Ireland, or the Ashes Tests at Cardiff).
 * The article needs work (As I see the creator has acknowledged in this discussion), but there is enough credible and sourced information available to make it a worthy article. Cymrogogoch (talk) 16:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Selective merge to Wales cricket team Personally feel that most of this can be covered in a single article. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems as though perhaps a merge with Wales cricket team would be the most agreeable outcome? Titus Gold (talk) 23:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've changed the name to Proposed Wales cricket team. Is this agreeable? Or would a majority prefer a merger with Wales cricket team? Titus Gold (talk) 01:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said above, I do not think there sufficient sources for a standalone article on the topic. I think it adequately covered by Wales_national_cricket_team#Status_as_standalone_team. I don't think creating articles on minor topics then repeatedly changing the name to make them 'stick' is a good approach. Llwyld (talk) 04:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting. Keep, Delete or Merge? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Wales national cricket team. Beeeggs (talk) 13:43, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge to Wales national cricket team, this article's creator has already largely done it. –  Dank Jae  19:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: (pre-mature merger already performed) - I have since reworded the content copied by another editor from this article to Wales national cricket team, so if its not obvious the content here has already been moved there, as another editor basically already did the merge too early. Just pointing that out, as the structure of the article is now slightly different, so there is no duplication of information.  Dank Jae  21:05, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge or keep My apologies, I forgot to notify on this talk page that I had copied all the relevant text over. Four editors seemed to agree on the merger rather than delete (including myself), but perhaps I did copy over prematurely. @DankJae has done a good job with paragraphing etc. I'll be a bit more patient waiting for more users to reply next time, thanks. Titus Gold (talk) 23:59, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Titus Gold, seven days is largely the normal minimum per WP:MERGECLOSE. But there was no clear/unanimous consensus yet for a merge, with others (myself intitially) stating "Delete" rather than "Merge", although our comments could be interpreted as part WP:OVERLAP. The discussion was relisted for this reason.  Dank Jae  18:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: @Sionk, @Tony Holkham, @Llwyld, @KJP1, @Cymrogogoch. Those stating "Delete" or "Keep" above, whether there is consensus for a merge considering pre-existing articles have been stated as a reason for some, and whether the already performed merge by another editor, partly reworded and restructured, between these edits to Wales national cricket team is satisfactory or insufficient.  Dank Jae  18:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Confirming my Delete above - but yes, the reworded and restructured merge of some of the content covers my concerns. Llwyld (talk) 05:39, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * My views on TG’s editing, here and elsewhere, haven’t changed. KJP1 (talk) 20:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Wales national cricket team not enough sources/notability for a separate article, but definitely worth a section on the parent page. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.