Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Campingkirche


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Keep. Let the stubbifying commence. (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Campingkirche

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There are no reliable sources to say that this is a notable topic. Fails WP:RS and WP:V. JD554 (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, not only is it not notable, but there's not a lot of info to identify the subject. The article is vague and the context is insufficient.--Boffob (talk) 13:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I prodded the article before and then removed the PROD again to discuss the matter with the creator (see article's talk page). I do not know whether "Campingkirche" in general might be notable enough to justify an article. But as the article is now it gives wrong information (I have strong doubts whether it is an organization, at the very least it was not invented by the archdiocese Paderborn but is just an event held by other German churches as well). This article is actually not about Campingkirche in general (as I said this might be notable - I don't know, haven't done much research on it) but would have to be called "Campingkirche of the archdiocese Paderborn" and this is not notable. Since an article on Camingkirche in general would have to be rewritten from scratch, this article should be deleted. Its creator Weissmann has huge problems with NPOV in that he promotes his hometown and home region throughout WP (I have prodded or speedied at least 10 of his creations) and this article is no exception. Gunnar Hendrich (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  16:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  16:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This is a challenging question. I think the lemma Campingkirche is notable in the context of German pastoral care or spiritual guidance, because it is a commonly used term for church service during the summer holiday and especialy for caravan holiday. Translated it would be church on the campsite. I don't know if there is something else in other countries. Please see these German weblinks: Official website Lutheran Church Thuringia or official website of confraternity Bahnau .Google translation of the first website:
 * ''Even from afar is the tent of the church on "on the campsite to see. Here in the summer vacation volunteer staff every day a varied program for children and adults. To mark the special "church on the" one mind that the team at the campsite lives and the lives of the tourists and holidaymakers shares.
 * ''An open offer the church camp during the summer holidays on the camping places, "William" in Allensbach, "Bankenhof on Titisee, in" recreational paradise Rastatt "Plittersdorf, in camp northern Black Forest in Neuhausen south of Pforzheim and the Village Forest Katzenbach in Odenwald.
 * ''They offer family worship services, programs for children, tours and campfire, Bastelaktionen circles and talk about faith and life issues.
 * ''When children's program alternate biblical stories, puppetry, crafts and games. Adults receive worship, religious services and theme nights impetus for their faith. Highlights include the family of religious services, working closely with the weekly program geared for children.
 * The volunteer staff gain valuable experience in working with children and adults.
 * But the article Campingkirche is a complete mess and not worthy to be mentioned anywhere. Maybe somebody can afford time to knit an article.  But this article is a complete mess and not worthy to be mentioned anywhere. Maybe somebody can afford time to knit an article. (Sorry I don't have the time) Greetings --Sebastian scha. (talk) 20:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * p.s. see the article talk page for a rough stub version. --Sebastian scha. (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Stub and keep The talk page stub in the article is on a viable topic. I'm not sure this is the best title, I know of very similar ministries in the U.S. that are not known by a German word (e.g. this one).  But I've never dug in to see if there is a common English term for such ministries.  GRBerry 13:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If there is an English term, change the article name into it. And add a German section, please. maybe in the Church service article? Sebastian scha. (talk) 13:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Withdraw: When the AfD is closed I'll stubbify the article as suggested on the article's talk page by Sebastian scha.. --JD554 (talk) 13:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and stubbify to Sebastian's version. After the proposed change this is going to be a sourced article giving neutral information about a notable subject. I will keep it on my watchlist to prevent Weissmann from messing with it. Gunnar Hendrich (talk) 09:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


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