Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Can't Be Heaven


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 00:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Can't Be Heaven

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Article has no sources, and the only reliable third-party source available giving much coverage is one article from The New York Times. Was PROD'd for failing WP:NFILMS, WP:GNG, and WP:V but was de-PROD'd without adding any references simply because of having "famous actors". After four years of no sources or much third-party coverage, it's time to delete this article as I find the de-PROD'ing reason to be unconvincing. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 23:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  00:23, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep per coverage meeting WP:NF no matter who or why it was de-proded Snuggums. WP:BEFORE gives us sources. IE: Film Treat and others. It's not Star Wars, so coverage is not overwhelming, but the article is improvable, despite it being WP:NEGLECTED for so long.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 05:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm..... I'm not really sure how these sources are reliable, and the two "All Movie Guide" links are basically the same page. I'd say that All Movie Guide provides medium coverage of plot. Not exactly convinced this meets WP:NF, after searching for sources before putting up for AfD. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 05:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Film Threat is a reliable source. Moria.co.nz is a one man blog, and it's definitely not reliable. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Right on, NinjaRobotPirate. Snuggums denying Film Threat is his issue. The 2 different pages (NOT "basically" the same page) at AMG are to verify cast and to verify release date(s) as required by WP:V. No more, no less. Am now looking through non-English coverage, as WP:BEFORE calls for more than a cursory look.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 07:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Same page or not, multiple publications from a common source do not add to notability. I'll look at the NY Times article and see if it provides as much detail as Film Threat does. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 12:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The policy-mandated verifiability of facts is not at all the same as notability, so please do not confuse the two. Per MOS:FILM, cast is allowed from the film's onscreen credits themselves, so if the release dates are not in contention, then the AMG citations can be removed. Since this had non-English releases under non-English titles, we would do well to also search for non-English coverage.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 15:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * In any case, this only seems to provide medium coverage as well (at least as far as English sources go). Unless there's significant non-English coverage, this doesn't warrant its own article as the only third-party English source providing significant coverage is Film Threat. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 15:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete these sources don't look reliable to me. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:44, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Pardon, Stuartyeates, but why or how is it that Film Threat or The New York Times or All Movie Guide or TV Guide "don't look reliable" to you for what information they are usually and widely accepted as suitable for sourcing? Just curious.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 21:23, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rcsprinter123    (rap)  @ 17:07, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Keep. The Film Threat and TV Guide reviews, at least, suffice as substantive coverage in reliable sources. Certainly not the best-known film ever made but notable enough for our WP:NOTPAPER encyclopedia. --Arxiloxos (talk) 01:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 06:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.