Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Can Ergenekan


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The result was speedy keep  criterion 1 (nominator withdraw). Non-admin action. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 20:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Can Ergenekan

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He's an Olympic swimmer, but he's never won any medals at the Olympics. Granted, just making it to the Olympics is a great accomplishment, but not sure it makes him sufficiently notable for a Wiki page. JoelWhy (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Even a brief search reveals references. Sports-reference.com lists him. He also appears to be a Turkish record holder in his discipline. There's another mention here (Hürriyet Daily News). — Yerpo Eh? 13:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * CommentYes, I am not disputing he's a swimmer. Just saying he doesn't appear to be notable. The article you referenced is discussing a different athlete, and mentions Ergenekan in the context of one of "two swimmers...who failed to go beyond their preliminary heats." It appears that including this swimmer would mean our standard is to allow a page for every athlete who has ever competed in the Olympics. That seems like an awfully low threshold.JoelWhy (talk) 13:41, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, including athletes that qualified for this planet's most prestigious sports competition doesn't strike me as very lax. I'm not saying that we should ignore WP:N, but Ergenekan is mentioned several times in media (although I admit I didn't find any substantial coverage in my brief search). — Yerpo Eh? 14:01, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I completely agree that just making it to the Olympics is a phenomenal accomplishment. But, keep in mind that we're talking about thousands of athletes. Over 2,500 competed in 2010 winter Olympics, and more than 11,000 in 2008 Summer Olympics. So, just the latest Olympbics (probably not much crossover between competitors in summer games and winter games) gives us 13,000+ Wiki entries. If that's the standard set, I'm fine with that, but it seems like we would be overrun with such entries if that's the case. However, if we limit entries to the more elite competitors (or, more precisely, the even more elite athletes among a group entirely composed of elite athletes) I don't think Can makes the cut.JoelWhy (talk) 14:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * A specific AfD is not a good place to discuss inclusion criteria for athletes. Actually, notability guideline for sportspeople states explicitly that "participa[nts] in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level such as the Olympics" are presumed notable. You should open a discussion there if you disagree. However, in my opinion, 13.000 entries don't even begin to "overflow" a project with 4 million entries. — Yerpo Eh? 14:23, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair point, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks!JoelWhy (talk) 14:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - As has been pointed out, we generally accept that any sportsperson good enough to appear at the Olympics is presumed notable enough for Wikipedia. Sionk (talk) 15:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NSPORTS. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * KeepIs there a formal way for me to withdraw my nomination of this article for deletion?JoelWhy (talk) 15:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * By voting 'Keep' on your own nomination ;) ...or maybe just state clearly 'nomination withdrawn'? Sionk (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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