Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canada–Haiti relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Cirt (talk) 07:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Canada–Haiti relations

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Created by an obsessive stub creator; barely any content; the fact that Canada gives aid to the poorest country in its hemisphere is entirely unremarkable and would be better dealt with in Foreign aid to Haiti Canvasback (talk) 19:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not for miscellaneous information consisting of juxtapositions of countries noting whether they have diplomatic relations. Fails notability as well.Edison (talk) 19:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a guideline somewhere about looking at articles before voting on them? Canvasback (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to re-creation when there's something more to say. (Yes, I have looked at the article...) Peridon (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Someone's found something more to say, so I change my opinion. Peridon (talk) 17:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I can tell :) Canvasback (talk) 21:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I'd be surprised if this can't be expanded. There is a significant Haitian community in Canada (, which must have some effect on the relationships between the two countries. This book might be useful, although the snippet doesn't provide much detail. There are also the following sources:, , , , , , , [, etc (just to give a sample of material available at Google News). [[User: Zagalejo|Zagalejo]]^^^ 22:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep on the basis of the sources listed. As Canada participated in a military occupation of the island, (last ref above) they seem to have some notable relations indeed. Poor job of making an article, matched by a careless nomination from an spa who has just joined, to do nothing else but nominate  and !vote to delete some of these articles. DGG (talk) 23:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not a completely single-purpose account; see Articles for deletion/Hotels.com (2nd nomination). But remember that the creator of some of these articles has a history of making threats and attempting vendattas. Canvasback (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep If it wasn't there when this was originally nominated, the Calgary Herald article, "Canada wants better monitoring, but remains committed to Haiti", of April 5, 2009, pretty much says it all-- "Yet while the United States is Haiti's largest overall donor, Canada's $555 million in aid over five years to 2011 represents the world's biggest per capita direct injection." That, plus the sources cited above, shows a more significant relationship than usually encountered in these random pairings. Mandsford (talk) 00:28, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I appreciate the sources found, but this stuff is better covered at MINUSTAH/List of Canadian Peacekeeping Missions & Foreign aid to Haïti. As stated, it's not a surprise that a wealthy hemispheric power sends cash and troops to the poorest and most miserable. - Biruitorul Talk 01:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: I added some material. It is surprising that this is not a major article - huge number of sources, lots of controversy. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Canada and Haiti have always had relations and there are a good amount of refs which i feel establishes the notability.  Cheers  Kyle1278 03:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:N appears to be met from the sources provided, and I have no doubt that they're just the tip of the iceberg. Nick-D (talk) 11:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. The current governor-general of Canada was a refugee from Haiti when a child. She has visited the island several times since her appointment and raised the consciousness of Canadians about Haiti. A notable subject that needs a lot of work. Ron B. Thomson (talk) 17:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The article needs improvement. There is a growing Haitian community in Canada, Governor-General of Canada is from Haiti. Canada is involved in Haitian Government reconstruction since uprising. Etc. CaribDigita (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Not only the evidence gathered above by DGG, Mandsford, & Ron B. Thomson, but Haiti was added to the CIDA's short list of 20 preferred foreign aid recipients. I wish the deletionists would do their homework. -- llywrch (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hilary T sockpuppet contribution struck out. Sockpuppetteer is the creator of the article, now nominating it for deletion as disruption. Uncle G (talk) 15:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Unbelievable. Whoever has aimed to "rescue" a worthless article on an utterly non-notable subject has come up with the basic WP:COATRACK trick. The article is a poor duplicate of content, including an utterly pointless take on the history of Haiti (more than 90% of this summary has nothing to do with Canada), and everything else, which can be summarized in a phrase or two, is by now redundant to several existing topical articles. Yes, another meaningless juxtaposition, another awful experiment in writing an article on nothing at all. Dahn (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have tried to address your concerns. Please review the current version of the article. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As I have said, whatever isn't (or should) already covered elsewhere is trivia that we wouldn't be covering at all were it not for "rescue" attempts directed at this article. Let me also note that, as a representative of the current who endorses keeping these articles on the basis of project goals in WP:BIAS, you seem to be tolerating the fact that most of the historical trivia now in the article is one-way, like it's written for Canadians or assumed that everybody knows the history of Canada, while Haiti's is a mystery to all. The bloating of an article through this method would technically expose another kind of bias, since Canada's own history isn't part of the bloating. Once you remove that pointless summary and other forms of cherry-picking trivia, you'd be exposing the fact that all relevant bits of text are something we could easily fold into other, more relevant, articles. Dahn (talk) 03:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point - I have added a couple of lines describing Canada. What articles should the content be folded into? Aymatth2 (talk) 04:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly my point... Regardless, and if you're really looking for those other articles: aside from the "Foreign relations..." for the bulk of it, you have the ones Biruitorul indicated above, and maybe a few other topical articles (though whatever is left other than the foreign aid and the info on Haitians in Canada seems too trivial to be needed anywhere). Dahn (talk) 13:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I have to disagree with you Canada and Haiti have had a lot of relations the Governor General of Canada is from Haiti this is a very notable article and it has both things about Canada and Haiti. Cheers  Kyle1278 20:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So? The father of the President of France is from Hungary: does this affect France–Hungary relations? The Prime Minister of Bulgaria was born in Ukraine, which has no bearing on Bulgaria–Ukraine relations. Janet Jagan, later President of Guyana, was born in Chicago, but what does that have to do with Guyana – United States relations? And so on. We note these facts in the subjects' biographies, because their significance does not extend to the bilateral relationships as such. (There are of course exceptions: Adolf Hitler's Austrian birth and upbringing had quite a bit to do with Austria–Germany relations - but that is hardly the norm.) - Biruitorul Talk 21:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Either way this article has enough context and reliable sources to be kept. Cheers  Kyle1278 23:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per DGG and other contributors. Canada gives lots of foreign aid to Haiti and participated in a military occupation of the island.Teeninvestor (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep There are enough historical facts between the two nations to warrant an article. And plenty of third party media sources to meet that requirement.   D r e a m Focus  03:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep duh. Jwray (talk) 05:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per llywrch and others. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - The List of sovereign states shows there are 203, therefore (203*202)/2 (=20503) potential articles with the title "X-Y relations", counting "Y-X relations" with it. It looks like some users are going around, like Johnny Appleseed creating as many as possible, as stubs, in the hope others will add onto them. I support this activity, as those subjects are unlikely to be examined, in detail, in most articles on individual countries. The first two of the basic tenets (verifiability, notability, and reliable sources) are guaranteed by the subject, leaving only the last to be checked for any details added. -MBHiii (talk) 16:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:NOHARM is an invalid argument. - Biruitorul Talk 14:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  -- Russavia Dialogue 10:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  -- Russavia Dialogue 10:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Clear keep: well-sourced and relevant as its own article.  freshacconci  talk talk  14:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.