Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian European Council


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. None of the arguments to keep have been able to demonstrate notability. That this group exists is not disputed, but that is not sufficient for inclusion. Shereth 21:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Canadian European Council

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No sources independent of the organization, obviously doesn't meet the notability requirements of WP:ORG. Sending letters to newspapers is not sufficient to establish notability. --Filemon (talk) 11:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC) http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/association/index.php?ACTION=Rechercher&HI_PAGE=1&HI_COMPTEUR=0&original_method=get&WHAT=canadian+european+economic+council&JTH_ID=&JAN_BD_CP=&JRE_ID=&JAN_LIEU_DECL=&JTY_ID=&JTY_WALDEC=&JPA_D_D=&JPA_D_F=&rechercher.x=35&rechercher.y=6
 * Delete. "Sending letters to newspapers is not sufficient to establish notability." Great way of putting it. Ray Yang (talk) 01:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Canadian European Council is a real/legitimate think-tank- these guys have published several pieces (some referenced in the Wikipedia entry) in The San Francisco Chronicle (one of the top 5 US newspapers) and The Daily Star (the Middle-East's leading English language newspaper). They're amongst twelve (only!) Canadian political think-tanks listed in Wikipedia. Granted they’re not a very large/active organization, but that doesn’t constitute in itself a valid reason for removal. I think this entry must be kept: it’s well-written, concise and abides by Wikpidedia guidelines.  Moorehaus (talk) 11:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC) Refactored: original comment moved to talk page.  Hi DrNick ! 12:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. They were one of the first professional organizations listed in the Nelson directory of Think Tanks and Research Organizations of Canada- see http://www.mankiwmacro3e.nelson.com/student/organizations.html, and they’re affiliated with the University of Toronto’s Canadian Law and Economics Association. 212.183.134.65(talk)
 * Comment. A Google search (excluding WP mirrors) for "Canadian European Council" yields one hit, which seems to be a WP mirror that does not provide attribution. Mind  matrix  14:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability not established. The references given in the article would appear to be generated by the organisation themselves, and the listing of organisations given by an anon above merely confirms existence, not notability.- gadfium 19:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. For the following reasons: 1) There’s no reason why Canada and Canadian organizations (even midsize ones as long as they’re legitimate and real) should be underrepresented on Wikipedia: The Canadian European Economic Council (CEC) is one of a dozen recognized Canadian political thinks-tanks (most of them actually small by US or UK standards), and, to my knowledge, it’s the only French-Canadian think-tank listed in Wikipedia…  2) When you type: Canadian European on Google, you get 7.4 million pages, the CEC being actually number one… not bad for a small French-Canadian independent organization.  I think this entry conforms to the letter and spirit of Wikipedia rules: it may be improved and expanded, but it should definitely be kept.  RazeYathrib (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 22:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think it is possible that this organization in fact doesn't exist. Author of this article, Solferino, also edited another very similar Wikipedia entry, "The European Council (TEC)", that was identified as a hoax and deleted. Compare webpages of these two "think-tanks": http://www.eurocouncil.org/ and http://www.canadianeuropean.com/: texts on these pages are nearly identical. IMO that's at best very suspicious. --Filemon (talk) 21:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unverifiable.   Hi DrNick ! 03:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think Philemon is wrong (and maybe malevolent): this small French-Canadian think-tank is real and legitimate: this fact is easily VERIFIABLE by checking the French government OFFICIAL REGISTER of associations and non-profit organizations which says it was incorporated in Dec 2001- see link below:

Also, as mentioned earlier they’re affiliated with THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO’S CANADIAN LAW AND ECONOMICS ASSOCIATION.(CLEA), a fact easily verifiable by checking CLEA’s website: http://www.canlecon.org/CLEA%20members_09mar05.xls

–User: 212.183.134.65 212.183.134.65 (talk)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.150.125.82 (talk) 11:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.