Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian punk rock


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No consensus to delete. Feel free to propose a merge to Punk rock, but there is little consensus for it here. (non-admin closure) w umbolo   ^^^  22:18, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Canadian punk rock

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It has three sources. It’s not a significantly covered scene. Though it might be good to have a section in punk rock.  ~SML  •  TP  21:32, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:20, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:20, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's a notable topic. Here are book more references that could be added:    Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That would make a total of 7 citations. Which could be covered in an theoretical section in punk rock. Oh and 1, 3, and 4 I don’t think are reliable because they were self-published. But I could be wrong though.  ~SML  •  TP  22:41, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge with Punk rock - doesn't warrant it's own article, but could work as a section. Also, self-published sources are likely primary - and we tend to not use those in Wikipedia. Kirbanzo (talk) 23:21, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Eastmain. Only one of the four books linked above (#4) is self-published; Invisible Publishing and ECW Press are reputable publishers. Three books is certainly enough to satisfy WP:GNG. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 23:30, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Eastmain and Arms & Hearts. Satisfies GNG. James500 (talk) 17:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, this definitely needs more sourcing (and a content overhaul) than it has right now — but a lot of quality sources do exist about this. In addition to the books Eastmain linked, there's Michael Barclay, Ian A.D. Jack, and Jason Schneider's Have Not Been the Same, Liz Worth's Treat Me Like Dirt: An Oral History of Punk in Toronto and Beyond 1977-1981, Joe Keithley's I, Shithead, Ryan Edwardson's Canuck Rock: A History of Canadian Popular Music, Bob Mersereau's The History of Canadian Rock 'n' Roll, Chris Walter's Argh Fuck Kill: The Story of the Dayglo Abortions, Randy Rampage's I Survived D.O.A., Don Pyle's Trouble in the Camera Club: A Photographic Narrative of Toronto's Punk History, 1976-1980 and Geoff Pevere's biography of Teenage Head, and even that is just off the top of my head — there's certainly a lot more that could be dug up if somebody actually put some effort into a serious library search. (Did either Art Bergmann or Steven Leckie ever publish an autobiography? Is there a published bookform history of Og Records? I don't know.) And there's also metric shit-tonnes of stuff that can be dug out from Exclaim!, ChartAttack, BeatRoute and newspapers — the whole Dayglo Abortions censorship thing comes to mind as something that definitely got into the major dailies, for starters. We judge GNG on the quality and depth of the sources that can be found to improve the article with, not just the quality and depth of the sources that are already present in it at any one time, so needing improvement is not a valid deletion rationale if improvement is as readily possible as it is here. Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


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