Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canaries World Wide Supporters Group


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. PhilKnight (talk) 06:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Canaries World Wide Supporters Group

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A series of articles about a supporters' group for a football club. Nothing to suggest notability. &mdash; G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 08:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.   -- &mdash; G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 09:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all - no notability established. GiantSnowman 22:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Maybe worth a mention in the main Norwich City F.C. article, but not in their own right. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 23:27, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It's good etiquette, and a step likely to end in useful material being saved, to notify article creators when you nominate articles for AfD. --Dweller (talk) 23:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Capital Canaries. I'm unsure about that one and would like to look into it. Won't be able to until Monday at earliest. It's possible it's not notable, but as the strongest and most active NCFC supporters club, it may indeed be notable. I suggest as an interim step it's removed from this nom and considered in its own right in a new AFD. The others are likely not to be notable and their articles are devoid of verification. --Dweller (talk) 23:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all I don't see Scout groups on Wikipedia, I don't think this is wikipedia materiel either. Govvy (talk) 01:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If a scout group are notable, they should be in Wikipedia. Most won't be. --Dweller (talk) 11:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Capital Canaries info: to be added to article:
 * Heavily referenced in Norfolk 'n' Good by Kevin Baldwin, published by Goldstone Books, (1993), ISBN 0-9522074-0-0 and Second Coming: Supporter's View of the New Era at Norwich City by Kevin Baldwin, published by Yellow Bird Publishing, (1997), ISBN 0952207419
 * Some online stuff:
 * Regular article in Pink 'Un newspaper
 * Chairman interviewed as a fan representative over potential sale of the club
 * Delia's appearance at Capital Canaries AGM noted in the Guardian
 * And at NCFC official site
 * Some decidedly trivial (!) references in three more books that Google books could find . Yes, I know.

More if I have a mo... --Dweller (talk) 11:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify the nature of the presses on those two books? I assume that Yellow Bird publishing is a reference to Norwich FC, and is thus a local press that primarily prints material on Norwich FC, but what is Goldstone? Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No idea. Actually, I'd thought Yellow Bird had published both, but I know nothing about publishing. --Dweller (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * According to Google Books, Norfolk 'n' Good was actually published by Yellow Bird...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * These two are the only books published by Yellow Bird publishing &mdash; G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. So that's a Norwich FC-focused press. That mitigates against the coverage. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete without prejudice against recreation. I would be unsurprised if sources exist to create a useful and verifiable article on this topic. This article, however, is not it, and the sources presented thus far in the AfD do not convince me. So delete the current version, and allow the possible future better version. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Which article? All of them? --Dweller (talk) 15:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * At present, yes. But, as I said, without prejudice. I think it is without question that we can create a good article on supporters' clubs for Norwich FC. But these aren't it. Given your clear affinity for the topic, I would guess that you'll be the one to write it in practice. I'd suggest userfying any of these that seem to you a helpful start, and working on an overall article about supporters' clubs, breaking into sub-articles where the sources justify it. Phil Sandifer (talk) 16:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete. Every club over a certain size has a network of supporters' clubs or similar, but comparatively few such organisations have a chance of being notable. For example, a supporters trust which has gained a significant shareholding may be notable. But if their activities consist of things like holding meetings which sometimes have a notable guest speaker, arranging travel to matches, giving out a branch player of the season award and other things which are run of the mill for a well organised fan club, then I don't see the importance of the article subject.

A short paragraph in Norwich City F.C. would probably be sufficient to describe the existence and structure of supporters' groups relating to the club. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete its not even stub quality, contains no real info and not citations. Skitzo (talk) 23:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Which article are you referring to? Some that are listed are more developed than others. --Dweller (talk) 08:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the title of the AfD is Canaries World Wide Supporters Group ... Skitzo (talk) 10:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true. But if you'll read anything more than the title of the AfD, you'll quickly establish that four articles are being considered for deletion here. And some are better than others. --Dweller (talk) 10:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well delete all, I don't think any warrant an article of their own and should be mentioned in the Norwich article, if at all Skitzo (talk) 11:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


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