Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Candice Guardino


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I think Tokyogirl79 sums it up best, did the most homework and just has the best bead on this. Consensus is already to delete, but I would agree that if a user wanted to userfy and do some digging on this difficult to source topic, it would acceptable. They may ask any admin and point to this AFD, no further permission needed although they probably should have Tokyogirl or another admin review before moving it back into mainspace. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 20:06, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Candice Guardino

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Doesn't appear to meet the notability guideline for biographies; tagged since June. Slashme (talk) 21:59, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete for now as I would've suggested moving elsewhere but there's no target and my searches found results such as here and the like at browser but nothing to suggest better improvement. SwisterTwister   talk  00:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep She has been consistently the topic of news from major sources over the years and continues to be featured (for various reasons). She has an off-Broadway show and appears as a stand up comic in different venues. The article needs work, but the lack of information in the article does not make her non-notable. The fact that there are significant sources that can be used to fix the article show that she is, in fact, notable, at the very least passing the general notability. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:12, 9 September 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm finding stuff, but a lot of the coverage isn't very good and by this I specifically mean the suit currently against her that alleges that she swindled money from her investors ala The Producers. Since the suit hasn't had a resolution I'm going to leave the allegations out of this but I will use the sourcing to at least write something about the stage play. This is kind of why it's sometimes not the greatest idea to make an article - if there is negative coverage then it'll likely get mentioned or used as a source at some point in time. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm giving this a cleanup. One of the sources, the one from the Business Journal, is actually a press release. This makes it a primary source and since this is already backed up with a reliable source, I see no need to include this in the article. I've whittled down the puffery and removed the sources that wouldn't be seen as a RS, so now it's just a matter of finding good sourcing. I do think that there's enough here to assert notability since her stage play (despite the controversy surrounding it) did gain some coverage. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It also looks like there was a little headline tweaking. There was a source that asserted that the Daily Mail had covered Guardino with the headline "Brooklyn-born Candice Guardino lined up investors to stage a production of Italian Bred, a show based on her Italian upbringing", but I can find no Daily Mail piece by this name. It also stated that it was written by Pete D'Amato, who posted it on September 12, 2014, but this does not seem to be the case, at least not exactly. The article was actually entitled "An off-Broadway actress and her husband snuck off to LA with $68,000 to stage a flop and then spent the money on themselves, lawsuit alleges", but whomever posted it decided to pick one of the subheaders because that way it would sound more positive. I also note that they specifically chose not to include the URL, because this would alert people to the article's true headline. I'm going to have to look closer at the remaining sources. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:21, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Soft delete/userfy/weak keep. Here's my rundown of the sources. The good sources are the SI Live post and the Laugh Button. These are both undeniably usable sources. The Playbill source is a little weaker since it is somewhat more of a notification of an event and reads a lot like a press release, but it can be considered usable by many editors, which is why I included it. The Daily Mail is a bit iffy since it's the Daily Mail, but so far it's still technically a RS despite it being a tabloid. The Tolucan Times is also sort of iffy since it's a local paper and not entirely a major news source. The DM and TTT aren't really the strongest sources and ultimately they're sort of what we have to decide notability on as the SI Live and Laugh Button posts aren't really enough to show notability per Wikipedia's guidelines. Despite the assertion above that more coverage exists, I can't really seem to find it. There's no record of her in Highbeam and a search in Bing and Google brings up little. Much of the heaviest coverage centers around the allegations of her and her husband misappropriating funds, which isn't something that can or should be in the article at this point in time because it's just allegations. A suit has been filed, but there haven't been any decisions or court dates yet. In the end all we have here is some fairly weak sourcing overall. It's not the strongest and I can't really see where anything other than her one woman stage play has gained any coverage. There are some blog posts and press releases out there, but not really anything that Wikipedia would truly consider to be usable. My argument here is for a soft delete and userfication (if anyone wants that), where the article is deleted without prejudice to recreation. We could probably argue for a weak keep at this point, but it's really not the strongest. Guardino has done what many actors have: she has worked in her field, but none of that has really translated into coverage at this point in time. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's an excellent review, thank you!! --Slashme (talk) 06:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - Pinging and  for comment.  SwisterTwister   talk  06:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:BLPCRIME - their only play was a flop, and the actress is now accused of having swindled investors out of their money, but no conviction so far; anyway, not enough coverage to pass WP:NACTOR Kraxler (talk) 14:09, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


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