Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cane Pecoraio Varbutu (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 16:55, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Cane Pecoraio Varbutu
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This page appears to be a translation from Italian Wikipedia. The only source there is a PDF of unclear origin - looks like it's from a blog. I've searched for other sources, and drew a blank - only hits are Wiki pages and mirror sites, and one or two random facebook pages, blogs etc. Nothing on Google News, Google Books. I don't think this is a hoax, but there's nothing published that I can find, so fails WP:GNG Girth Summit  (blether)  15:41, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There seems to be very few sources, I only found these:
 * List of Italian dog breeds (by an Italian cynologist Antonio Crepaldi): "Cane da Pastore della Sicilia Centrale (Varbutu Picurariscu o Varbuteddu?: punto di domanda perché queste denominazioni sembrano sarde e non siciliane)"
 * This is the one I mentioned above - the source of the PDF isn't clear, but it appears to be the author's blog. Probably not reliable. Girth Summit  (blether)  16:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Extinct Italian dog breeds: "Cani Varbutu Picurariscu o Varbuteddu, originario di una zona limitata delle alture centrali siciliane, era utilizzato come conduttore e guardiano delle greggi, molto simile al Cane di Mannara, caratterizzato da una lunghissima criniera che spesso raggiungeva addirittura le zampe."
 * I'm not 100% sure about the site - it describes itself as a social networ for dogs, and it's not clear who wrote this article; also it only mentions this breed very briefly (one two-line sentence in a list of breeds). Girth Summit  (blether)  16:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Extinct Italian dog breeds: "Hunde Varbutu Picurariscu oder Varbuteddu. Quelle: zu den Höhen von einem zentralen Teil von Sizilien beschränkt. Haltung: Nachhilfelehrer und Dirigent Herden. Features: anders Spino sizilianischen und vieles mehr wie der Hund Manyara, mit der Charakteristik einer dicken und langen Mähne, die ausgehend von Wamme die Beine fast erreicht; alten Hirten behaupten, dass mit dem Hund wer koexistierten und war besonders resistent gegen Schneestürme und Unwetter. Situation des Rennens: wahrscheinlich ausgestorben."
 * Italian Forum of Protection and Recovery of Breeds (although I don't think this forum is reliable enough, since anyone can write and post there)
 * This appears to be WP:UGC - not reliable. Girth Summit  (blether) 16:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether these small quotations are enough to "improve" the article. But if so, I can add their information to the article. If these sources are not counted as reliable, I'm ok with deletion. --Canarian (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've put some observations above. Thanks for looking for more sources, but I'm not convinced that we've got what we need to keep the article. Girth Summit  (blether)  16:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:59, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:59, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete if no better sources found. I guess it's reasonably certain the breed exists, based on the above, but not well enough documented for our use. The text on that German website is in high-falutin' textbook/academic style, so if the original source for that could be found it might well do the trick; had no luck with that though. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:58, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:36, 16 March 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sheldybett (talk) 06:04, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Just a note to whoever reviews this to summarise the above discussion - there is my nomination for deletion on the grounds of poor sourcing, the article's author agreement that the article should be deleted if the sources don't pass muster, and Elmidae's delete vote unless better sources can be found. The author, Elmidae and I have all looked for better sourcing, but drawn blanks.  Girth Summit  (blether)  07:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.