Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canek II


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Kan Ek'.  MBisanz  talk 04:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Canek II

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Canek was a hereditary title, not a named individual. The creation of this article came about from a fundamental misunderstanding of the subject matter. I'm currently working on Kan Ek' (the modern spelling of the name), which will cover this subject better. Simon Burchell (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do. It is a mystery to me how I came up with a name like Canek II. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 14:34, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 14:34, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note that this article is wrongly included in Mexico - the Itza of Petén fall within Guatemala. Simon Burchell (talk) 14:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename or merge -- This is a short factual article, dealing with an individual, apparently one whose given name is unknown. It is taken from an encyclopedia presumably one out of copyright.  It is possible that "II" was to indicate that it was the secoind article on the subject.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Guatemala-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Everything within this article is included in the Kan Ek' article and Canek redirects there. There real problem I have with this page is the "II" - all the kings of the Itza were called Kan Ek', and we don't know who was the first, the Spanish had contact, probably, with three, with others falling in between due to extended periods during which there was no contact with the Itza. If we don't know who is the first, how can we know who is the second? At any rate, it certainly wasn't the king described in this stub. Simon Burchell (talk) 19:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)




 * Rename or merge I could have gotten the title from an existing redlink in another article which referred to the same individual, or perhaps I just made it up. The Wikipedia article itself makes no reference to a Canek II.  Perhaps another way of identifying this individual can be identified.  This individual seems to be under discussion in the Early 16th century section of the Kan Ek' article.  Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography has a problem with imaginary subjects of biographies, but I see no indication of a problem here, as the individual seems to be reliably confirmed.  I think the additional information that ACAB provides (date of death; attempted suppression of idolatry among people; further details on the worship of the horse) can be added to the above referenced section of the Kan Ek' article, or the Canek II article can be renamed and the relevant additional information from the Kan Ek' article put into it.  Either solution would be satisfactory to me.  Retaining the Canek II as a redirect would seem to be advisable if only to help anyone who my title has led astray. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 14:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran  talk to me! 09:24, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The title "Canek II" is a result of a previous error. Since Canek redirects to Kan Ek', this article should be deleted to avoid duplication and confusion. 1292simon (talk) 02:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.