Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canon William Lummis


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The result was Merge into Victoria Cross with a redirect from Canon William Lummis to Victoria Cross. The individual on his own isn't notable, however his work is relevant to the Victoria Cross article and would be best included there. This should also go someway to keep both parties happy here. Nick 17:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Canon William Lummis

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Non-notable. Just because he made a database of medal recipients doesn't mean he's famous. That, and the only source is an obit. Whsitchy 15:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep That one paragraph from an obituary is not much, but it's better than nothing. I don't have a strong opinion on this. Yechiel Man  18:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment but it's not his obit to begin with, bringing the source into major question. Whsitchy 19:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not even sole author of single credited book. Has as much chance as the Light Brigade. Clarityfiend 20:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I have added to the article if that helps Jack1956 10:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep There's nothing in Wikipedia's rules to say that articles must use multiple sources, only that they must be verifiable. An obituary (even for someone else) in 'The Daily Telegraph' meets this criteria.  It also meets the Wikipedia criteria for reliablity as internationally reknowned newspapers check their sources, I don't think anyone disputes this article's contents.  Lumis is notable as his work, which would have taken a considerable amount of effort prior to the advent of information technology, was the basis of David Harvey's seminal book Monuments To Courage. He was also an author in his own right. Unknown Unknowns 11:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep If Lummis isn't notable then why do six Wikipedia articles (Victoria Cross, Charles Irwin, The Irish Sword, David Charles Harvey, The Victoria Cross and George Cross Association, Padre George Smith) link to him? Barnaby Wild 12:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Just because he has several articles linking to him, doesn't mean he's notable. His actions make him notable, and I don't see how finding the resting places of Victoria Cross holders makes him notable. Whsitchy 14:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Because of the thousands of hours he must have spent doing it. The Victoria Cross is the highest award for galantry awarded to members of the British armed forces, they're not given out like campaign medals. Barnaby Wild 11:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I could spend thousands of hours of my life talking to yaks, but that won't make talking-to-yaks any more encyclopedic than it currently is. The defence that collating the list was labor-intensive is a case of argumentum ad misericordiam. --Agamemnon2 17:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also see WP:THISNUMBERISHUGE Whsitchy 17:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Add on comment It's also a little odd that your last contrib before this was on 9/11/2006. Whsitchy 14:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean but I frequently browse Wikipedia. I only make an edit when I have something worth saying, unlike some people. Barnaby Wild 11:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 21:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - his work is clearly notable. American users should note the the Victoria Cross is the British medal awarded for conspicous bravery before the enemy; the George Cross is the equaivalent for other situations.  These medals are rarely awarded, and a study of the holders is thus a notable subject.  Peterkingiron 22:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't get how documenting the resting places of medal holders is notable? Whsitchy 16:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


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