Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canvas (company) (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus. Everybody agrees there are enough sources, the disagreement is whether the sources are reliable enough (not promotional enough) to comply with WP:RS. The voters split almost evenly on this issue, and I close the discussion as no consensus--Ymblanter (talk) 07:18, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Canvas (company)
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Certainly time for a new AfD as examining this coverage simply found expected coverage which consists of either funding, events, interviews, PR, puffery, etc.; everything that is not convincing, and there's no inherited notability simply because they are known news sources; my own searches have found nothing particularly better aside from a few links here. SwisterTwister  talk  19:43, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete - just not noteworthy for a stand alone article; a data collection service, not original and the article has promo aspects and source problems as nom. states accordingly. Kierzek (talk) 20:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, per previous AfD. I don't see what has changed. Multiple examples of significant, in depth, independent coverage in the Washington Post in particular, for example this. Sionk (talk) 22:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Because not only is it not enough, even the article above is only a few mentions and (as a whole, only a selective number of paragraphs) and there's simply still not enough. SwisterTwister   talk  16:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't understand that comment. The long article I cited as an example is entirely about Canvas and their 'Ante Up' initiative. Surely there must be better uses of our time, especially when the article has already gone through AfD and resulted in a unanimous 'keep'? Sionk (talk) 23:14, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * WaPo is one article and does not amount to "significant coverage" on the company; it's mentioned, yes, but in connection with other things. The Wiki article does not meet CORPDEPTH overall; insufficient material for an encyclopedia entry. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep Per, notable.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Unfortunately, I am unable to access the WaPo articles, so I cannot comment on those. However, what remains is self-citing and minor articles. Even if the WaPo articles are good, multiple articles from the same source are considered a single source for notability, so that results in one good source, and that is not enough for notability. LaMona (talk) 22:17, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm able to access it and it's essentially a product placement: "About a year ago, Scott Shea saw an e-mail from Mike Grover, an ecologist in South Africa, asking for help. Grover works to prevent rhinoceros poaching in South Africa’s Sabi Sand Game Reserve. He had e-mailed Reston-based technology start-up Canvas — where Shea is a consultant— hoping they could help update his data collection system. Canvas develops mobile apps allowing businesses to share data across phones without using paper forms — each of Grover’s reserve rangers had been tracking rhinoceroses and poachers with a clipboard and a pen." etc. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:24, 2 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep . It's still a tad 'Yellow Pages', but it meets WP:GNG. Created by an SPA, however, it evokes concerns of being a comissioned work. But that's anothe issue. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- an advertorial article on an otherwise unremarkable tech company. Sourcing does not meet CORPDEPTH. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:47, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:32, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "James Quigley co-founded Canvas in 2008 and already bears a title he didn’t expect so soon: chief executive of an international company. Canvas, which provides mobile apps for businesses, will open its first overseas office in Sydney. The company has been adding foreign customers at a rapid clip, and an office on the other side of the globe will allow the firm to provide around-the-clock customer support. “We started having people all over the world start to use the solution, and their chance of becoming a paid subscriber [was higher] if we got to talk to them on the phone,” Quigley said. Canvas employs 25 people at its headquarters in Reston. The Sydney office will be smaller, Quigley said, but it won’t be the company’s only overseas outpost for long. Canvas intends to open an office in Europe next year."  The article notes: "He had e-mailed Reston-based technology start-up Canvas — where Shea is a consultant— hoping they could help update his data collection system. Canvas develops mobile apps allowing businesses to share data across phones without using paper forms — each of Grover’s reserve rangers had been tracking rhinoceroses and poachers with a clipboard and a pen. ... Thanks to an internal initiative at Canvas called Ante Up, in which employees select particular nonprofits to receive Canvas services for free, Shea adopted the Reserve as his pet project. The Reserve received 17 Android phones and a few thousand dollars worth of data collection capability, according to the company. ...  Canvas employees generally commit several months to their chosen nonprofit, determining their technology needs and implementing the technology later. Canvas sometimes pays for employees to travel to the site of the nonprofit — Shea spent a few weeks in February teaching the rangers to use Canvas on their Android phones."  The article notes: "3. Canvas This versatile set of tools provides data collection forms that run on a smartphone or tablet to support collecting a wide range of data types, including for inventory. Examples include restaurant inventory, chemical inventory and damage and loss reporting. It's available on iOS, Android and BlackBerry mobile platforms. To run Canvas apps you first need to install the free Canvas Smart Client. Collected data can be downloaded into a spreadsheet or database or exported as a PDF."</li> <li> The article notes: "Canvas is a portal for mobile business applications, used primarily by small businesses and contractors to replace their paper forms with smartphones apps. Today Canvas is announcing MyCanvas, a cloud service for their subscribers that allows anyone to access their personal service data history in the cloud. Canvas wants to make the paper form obsolete. They claim that if you factor in all of their subscribers that have transitioned over to digital forms, they’ve saved 2 tons of paper per month."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Canvas to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 18:35, 20 August 2016 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Comment to closer - The source above here are all essentially PR and PR-like, with they either containing interviews or PR in some form, the WashingtonPost articles are particularly the worst as they are essentially speaking puffery about the company itself, nothing apart from what clients and investors would want to hear. "employees select particular nonprofits to receive Canvas services for free....anvas sometimes pays for employees to travel to the site of the nonprofit — Shea spent a few weeks in February teaching the rangers to use Canvas on their Android phones....Canvas, which provides mobile apps for businesses, will open its first overseas office in Sydney. The company has been adding foreign customers at a rapid clip, and an office on the other side of the globe will allow the firm to provide around-the-clock customer support....Canvas employs 25 people at its headquarters in Reston. The Sydney office will be smaller, Quigley said, but it won’t be the company’s only overseas outpost for long. Canvas intends to open an office in Europe next year". SwisterTwister   talk  03:51, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


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