Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cape May Brewing Company


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Cape May Brewing Company

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Basically an advertisement. I tried to make this into a NPOV article, but I found if I removed the promotionalism there was nothing much left, except a large number of mostly local awards.  DGG ( talk ) 02:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete this advertisement. Trillfendi (talk) 05:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * How does it seem like an advertisement? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak delete/merge. It's a pretty nicely written entry, and the creator doesn't appear to have a COI. But it does seem to fail WP:NORG. All sources are either primary (press-releases) or come from WP:AUD sources (city/county level). Likewise, they have a bunch of awards, but they seem to be local (at least, they don't seem to have won any national or international award, see also Category:Beer awards). At best. I'd suggest merge to a craft beer in the United States or a related article if one exists (hmmm, Brewing in Oregon/List of microbreweries). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is that article would be List of wineries, breweries, and distilleries in New Jersey, which is pretty big to begin with, and doesn't have room for individual beers. Could you check the article again User:Piotrus? I've added more to the article today. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 05:46, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you show me any coverage by non-local sources? As in, state-wide, not city-wide or county-wide? Or any national or international awards won? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That would be refs 10, 11, 14, 16, and 20-23, which include national NBC affiliates, Forbes, the Philadelphia Inquirer, and the NJ department of Agriculture. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 13:51, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment/Opposed from the author - I've added a few more sources. I disagree with the premise that there isn't much left but local awards. The brewery has won awards from around the country. It's also the third largest brewery in New Jersey, possibly the second. I'll do my best adding more sources so it doesn't seem so much like an advertisement. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NORG. There is some press coverage but most of the sourcing is too close to the subject or is clearly promotional. There is also far too much detail for a relatively new company that doesn't have all that much press coverage.Burroughs&#39;10 (talk) 17:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * NBC and ABC affiliates throughout the country? Forbes? Philadelphia Business Journal? How are they too close? How does it come across as promotional? And why delete if the information is valid? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 18:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've added a few more sources, including the NJ Department of Agriculture, and various newspapers. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 05:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep; AUD satisfied: at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary. Facts presented in non-promo way.Djflem (talk) 11:36, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems fine.  Notability asserted well enough as "third-largest craft brewery in New Jersey" and "Their beer is available at over 700 locations in New Jersey and Pennsylvania."  Awards.  Sources regional, state, etc. Well-written, too. --Doncram (talk) 02:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:ORG notability since it is only covered by local sources. Also promotional in nature as stated by the nominator.--Rusf10 (talk) 19:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , please read above. There are sources from Forbes, NBC Los Angeles, and the NJ Department of Agriculture. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is that none of those sources constitute significant coverage as required by WP:AUD. For example, the Forbes article jsut has a few quotes about the brewery's owner, the article itself is not about the brewery.--Rusf10 (talk) 19:53, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:AUD states: The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary., which this article clearly satisfies.Djflem (talk) 09:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


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