Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captivity of Nairs at Seringapatam


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Captivity of Nairs at Seringapatam

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Appears to be a POV fork from Persecution of Hindus, but it is OR. Unless a subjugated population are captives? And none of the sources seem to be any good. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

The article speaks about some events where people of Malabar were captured and tortured, converted, put to death or something like that in a time frame. This article seems to have been independent of the Persecution of Hindus article. The article probably needs a new title but definitely requires a cleanup. Not sure if the title is right unless a majority of the concerned people were Nairs. Also Seringapatam is an archaic misspelling of Srirangapatna.Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 14:10, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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Yes, agree about sources, better sources required. Also the article needs to be rewritten and cleaned, given matter is not relevant. But at one point article seems to claim that the Nairs were captured from Kerala and held prisoners in Seringapatam (Srirangapatna), so they were actual captives, not about subjugated population.Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 21:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I politely point out that I could not find any POV. The article has encyclopedic information and may be retained and developed. Majority of sources seem reliable. Rayabhari (talk) 14:51, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Have you even looked at the sources? I count three eight within seconds from the 1800's. That is the most of the sources. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Considering sources which can be called reliable: the general biographers of Tipu at that time such as Kirmani and Punganuri, Kirkpatrick who translated Tipu's letters into English, Moegling who wrote about neighbouring Coorg, Surendranath Sen, a professor of University of Calcutta, wrote about 1857 and the Marathas, Mohibbul Hassan, whose protege was Irfan Habib, wrote about Tipu Sultan,etc., One reliable source is still missing, K. M. Panikkar's.Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 10:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * None of those sources are reliable, not a one of them. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * How can none of the 20 sources are reliable. For instance, Mohibbul Hassan was educated in Lucknow and London, wrote to the Cambridge university journals, taught at Aligarh Muslim University, Jamia Islamia University, New Delhi and Calcutta University. His book is one of the most reliable sources on Tipu Sultan. K M Panikkar (historian, scholar, diplomat) studied history at Oxford, taught at Aligarh Muslim University, Calcutta University and served as a diplomat and he is a learned source on matter pertaining to Kerala's history. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 19:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 15:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep Article is significant enough I don't think it warrants AFD, however a note that the article needs cleanup is to be added. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 20:45, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is a factual article based on multiple sources. I suspect that the nom's view is IDONOTLIKEIT but that is not a ground for deletion. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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