Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caracana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  So Why  09:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Caracana

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Non-notable folk band. Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG. Lack of coverage in reliable sources. — Za  wl  14:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I also believe the band to be notable. There are sources to support it and other sources for which I cannot provide a reference, including being the subject of someone's doctorate on Cornish Music and Culture. Plus many newspaper articles which don't have a digital copy.*Please keep Pema Wainwright (talk) 13:36, 4 October 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pema Wainwright (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep There are sources to support this. I have no issue with the notability here. Dysklyver  08:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – fails WP:GNG & WP:BAND. All but one of the cited sources of the article are user-generated, without having editorial oversight. They aren't even considered reliable on this project, let alone using them to prove notability. The only reliable source of the article lists the name of the above band with other 14 bands while mentioning timings of a village festival.
 * We need in-depth coverage in multiple third-party reliable sources, which is totally missing here. I couldn't find any decent source either. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:49, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * , you don't need a digital copy of the newspaper articles for use in the article – just cite the source where they can be found, e.g. "Smith, Joe (12 October 2017). 'Carcana Review'. The Times". But it would help if they weren't just local Cornish newspapers, to prove that they are notable outside of the local community. Richard3120 (talk) 19:03, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 07:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment – The user name of the page creator – who also happens to be almost the sole contributor to the article – suggests that they should be the last person to edit it. But unfortunately the use of WP for promotion by COI editors is common. Anyway, their unverifiable claims should be taken with a pinch of salt. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:24, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Thank you for the newspaper article advice I have now done this, although I did only have local newspaper articles to add at this time. I had previously added newspaper articles from France, as Caracana have often played there, but these are not so numerous or easy to access from another country.  claims that I stated that I "should be the last person to edit it". I haven't done this, nor do I understand where it has come from. As far as notability is concerned, in Wikipedia's guide for Musicians and Ensembles, Caracana fit perfectly under category 7; 'Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city'. Caracana are one of the most prominent representatives of the 'new wave' of the Cornish Revival. There is a local scene that they are very much a part of. I have now fulfilled all criteria that has been asked of me, with references to back it all up. I kindly request that this article be kept. If there is more that I can do, please let me know how. I am fairly new to Wikipedia.Pema Wainwright (talk) 19:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Firstly, every participant can !vote only once, which you've already done in your first comment here. So I struck out your duplicate !vote.


 * Secondly, as far as the french news article is concerned, it isn't about Caracana. It just listed its name with other 14 bands while mentioning the timings of an event. That's not even a passing mention.


 * Thirdly, please read my comment again. I didn't claim that you said this or that. I just wanted to point out WP:Conflict of interest, but couldn't elaborate because of WP:Outing.


 * Finally, in your latest edits, you've added three sources. One of them is a local newspaper, which mentioned your band in passing. The other two – "What's On, Friday" & "What's On, Wednesday" – seems like lists of program schedules. In short, your band has got few passing mentions here & there in local media, but it isn't WP:Notable. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Relevant traditional folk bands such as this one should normally be kept under WP:BAND Section 7. In my opinion this subject meets WP:GNG and therefore also WP:BAND Section 1.


 * I see in this discussion the issue of Pema Wainwright editing the article about a group which includes a person of the same name. I do not want to seem bitey, but this could be a WP:COI. Once this is closed I will probably have to rewrite the article to deal with this.


 * The band is important locally, has played at Lowender Peran for example, and there is a fair bit of local coverage not mentioned here from Cornwall Live, The West Briton and the Cornish Guardian. (if it was online I would link it). Further afield the band has represented Cornwall (in its celtic nation capacity, which is a cultural thing) at the international Festival Interceltique de Lorient, which is a culturally important event, if not massive with only ~70,000 attendees. The group can sing in Cornish, this automatically makes them an integral part of the Cornish Revival movement, as far as I can ascertain, they appear relevant enough to have attracted attention in the other celtic nations, eg Wales and Brittany, again this is local coverage, but it is from other localities therefore showing relevance further afield, as well as showing the topic meets criterion 1 of WP:BAND.


 * Anyway I have already commented that I think it ought to be kept, so this is just the reasoning. Dysklyver  19:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment – Your comment is full of unverifiable claims, bordering on WP:ILIKEIT. You must quote reliable sources instead of making claims by yourself, as you are not a reliable source. It seems clear that the above band didn't get more than passing mentions in the local sources, let alone national/international sources. Please also elaborate how it meets GNG, as I couldn't find even a single in-depth reliable source about Caracana. If the sources are offline, you can quote them here. So that's not a problem as well. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - lack of significant coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 00:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.