Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carbon ring


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete/ There is a consensus that the article can not exist as standalone. There is no consensus whether it should be deleted, turned into a dab or turned into a set index. Since I have to cosse something, I choose delete following the majority and also, in my opinion, stronger arguments. After deletion I will boldly redirect it to Alicyclic chemistry.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Carbon ring

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Several topics in this area are notable, but this article merges them into a non-notable unified group. The claims of notability are incorrect or the article's scope is too narrow to be correct (for example, I removed a bunch of content that included all sorts of "not just carbon" ring compounds as examples of carbon rings being biologically important). The individual topics are already covered in their own articles (with links and cites), for example, cycloalkane (and the specific subtopics cyclopentane, cyclohexane, ring strain, and cyclohexane conformation) and benzene. DMacks (talk) 01:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete or turn into dab page. A random collection of facts about a topic already covered much better in Benzene, Cycloalkane, Cycloalkene, etc. It might be helpful to blank the content and turn this into a dab page, linking to the three or so main categories of carbon ring. -- 101.119.14.233 (talk) 10:14, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge into the articles suggested above or into Alicyclic chemistry. There are adequate titles covering this topic already.  -- Ed (Edgar181) 21:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing in this article is remotely worth merging; it's very poorly formatted, and is clearly duplicating all of the related chemistry articles. I can't see how it would form a valid DAB page, and there are too many valid redirect targets. "Carbon ring" is something that, as a chemist, I rarely hear mentioned; benzene and aromatic rings, yes, but a conventional carbon ring? In my experience, they're just called cyclic compounds. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 00:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Possible dab content:
 * Carbon ring refers to rings of carbon atoms in organic compounds, including:
 * Aromaticity, the property of benzene rings
 * Alicyclic chemistry, the study of non-aromatic rings, including:
 * Cycloalkane molecules, where the ring contains no double bonds; and
 * Cycloalkene molecules, where the ring contains double bonds
 * It is a plausible search term, so a dab page could be a good idea. -- 101.119.14.20 (talk) 13:43, 20 December 2013 (UTC)


 * As the old advertising logo went, "A little dab will do ya." Bearian (talk) 18:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have boldly turned the article into a dab page as suggested above; nobody wanted to keep the content anyway. -- 101.119.15.209 (talk) 03:30, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have reverted your changes. What you created is not a dab page at all (see WP:DAB), but merely a list of examples. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree, but I won't revert your revert just yet. The proposed dab page (content listed above) follows the same pattern as other dab pages like Football (disambiguation): it lists articles that readers might have meant when they typed in "carbon ring." And yes, thank you, I have read WP:DAB. -- 101.119.14.36 (talk) 11:29, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly not a dab, since none of the topics are variations of the title "carbon ring", and all of the examples are WP:DABCONCEPT to it. I propose section redirecting to Carbon, the article at the highest level of abstraction to discuss the ability of carbon to form rings. bd2412  T 16:09, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Carbon would be the least helpful redirect, since it is totally unrelated to the subject of this article. We obviously want to disambiguate between Aromaticity and Alicyclic chemistry. Since two people are fighting a dab page (in my view, because they misinterpret WP:DAB), it looks like deletion is the only option. Possibly we could redirect to Alicyclic chemistry with a hatnote there pointing to Aromaticity. -- 101.119.14.134 (talk) 00:06, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * A carbon ring is not an allotrope (few exceptions). An allotrope of carbon may onlye contain carbon atoms, otherwise it isnt an allotrope. Christian75 (talk) 11:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Convert to dab or set index or redirect to something with a hatnote on the target – its a valid serach term, and gets 30-100 hits per day. Christian75 (talk) 11:38, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * A set index would be permissible in this case. bd2412  T 13:21, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.