Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caribbean dance music


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Not the strongest of consensuses but definitely a consensus that the sources for this topic do not establish notability. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Caribbean dance music

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Proposed genre, not an established genre. Fails WP:GNG with no significant coverage in the literature. Binksternet (talk) 22:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Binksternet (talk) 22:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:05, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

- CaribbeanCurator
 * Keep - Believe this is certainly a genre and worthy of a page and mostly focused on its evolution from electronic dance music. References to this new emerging genre from Trinidad and Tobago in the Caribbean that is establishing include:
 * - iHeartRadio official playlist
 * - EDM Sauce referencing the music being played on BBC Radio 1
 * - Trinidad and Tobago Newsday (Local Newspaper)
 * - Trinidad and Tobago Newsday (Local Newspaper)
 * - Fact Magazine
 * - New York Times
 * - New Yorker Magazine
 * - Spin Magazine
 * - Remezcla.com
 * - Miami New Times
 * - Heavy.com
 * - Vibe Magazine
 * - Wired Magazine
 * - Caribbean Beat Magazine
 * - We Rave You Magazine (Israel)
 * - Potent Magazine


 * Playlists don't count for notability. Iheart.com could make a playlist of Caribbean Dinner Music (CDM) or Caribbean Chill Music (CCM). It's not a reliable source. This Newsday source, local to Trinidad and Tobago, talks about Caribbean dance music but the writer, Debra Greaves, is not a music critic or musicologist. This next Newsday source has one DJ named Leston Saunders saying "There is a whole Caribbean Dance Music (CDM) movement, fusing soca with dance music elements to be marketed both locally and internationally" which means he is pushing a genre into the world rather than acknowledging an existing genre. A bunch of your other sources just say "Caribbean dance music" in passing, because they are talking about dance music from the Caribbean. An example of that group is Fact Mag talking about steel drum and percussion samples that reflect a Caribbean flavor. Binksternet (talk) 14:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure I follow your argument about referencing the genre in passing and are talking about dance music from the Caribbean because I think that would be equivalent of reducing EDM to dance music that was made electronically although EDM is a genre. Also Leston Saunder's reference is specifically referencing all the work that Diplo has been doing with his Major Lazer a notable international music act, since 2008 fusing Electronic dance music with Caribbean music. Remember this is a hybrid genre. And they aren't talking about indigenous percussive dance music from the Caribbean. If you read the articles I've referenced you will see that they are specifically talking about EDM fused with Caribbean music genres. You are correct however, the article I mention from FACT magazine is talking about percussive indigenous music, but this article describes Jus Now's approach in creating CDM from indigenous music. Jus Now is actually an CDM duo that are making CDM the EDM offshoot that was brought into the mainstream by Diplo and Major Lazer that combines EDM with other Caribbean music genres that I mentioned. Their EP Way Up was released on Feel Up Records which is the record label founded by Trinidadian DJ, and former Major Lazer member Jillionaire.  Information on one of their releases can be found on The Fader here .  That being said i'll stand by to see what the outcome of the discussion is - CaribbeanCurator

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  06:38, 26 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Recentist nonsense which claims, for example, that this originated in Illinois, not the Caribbean. A proper article with this title would have a more historical perspective, covering better known forms such as rumba and salsa.  See Music in the Hispanic Caribbean, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:50, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is the best article I could find for notability, and I don't think it's enough on its own. Unless someone else can find good sources that cover "Caribbean Dance Music" as a genre, I say delete. Ikjbagl (talk) 21:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


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