Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl Berner (supercentenarian)


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The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 09:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Carl Berner (supercentenarian)

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If "being a supercentenarian" does not, in itself, qualify one for their own Wikipedia article, then this article defeats itself. The infobox clearly says that Carl Berner is "know for being a supercentenarian" and nothing else. He was the fifth oldest living man upon his death, but he was not the oldest in the Western hemisphere (James Sisnett) or in the United States (James McCoubrey). He was the oldest man in New York City, but the oldest person in the City as well as New York State was Susannah Mushatt Jones. As such, he does not even warrant a mention on the List of the oldest Americans by state. Finally, he is not among the list of the verified oldest people or one of oldest people generally. I conclude that this article be deleted.Ricksantorum2012 (talk) 23:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep: He received significant news coverage and was known for his work as a community activist and toy maker. Also, he was the oldest living man in the Northeastern United States at the time of his death, as well as the oldest living German-born man. He was also the oldest living German emigrant at the time of his death. He is also the second oldest German-born man ever, and the oldest German emigrant man ever. Futurist110 (talk) 08:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep based on ample reliable and verifiable coverage about him as an individual. Alansohn (talk) 18:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Less notable than Susannah Mushatt Jones who was deleted for lack of notability. Could possibly be merged to List of supercentenarians from the United States but does not seem notable enough to even fit in there. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as not satisfying WP:BIO. I'm no impressed by claims someone is inherently notable because they are the oldest person of some particular national origin or in some arbitrary subdivision of a country. Edison (talk) 01:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Why isn't being the oldest German male emigrant ever notable? Also, for the record, Carl Berner was discussed in the media since at least 2002 (when he was 100), if not earlier. Futurist110 (talk) 06:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

*Keep as per Bearian's comments. ♫☼ Rosa Clegg ☼♫  talk  00:23, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep being "second-oldest living verified American man" does not make one per se notable, but significant coverage does. Bearian (talk) 17:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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