Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl Berner (supercentenarian) (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Carl Berner (supercentenarian)
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No independent notability besides this person's reaching an advanced age. His entry on the List of the verified oldest men is sufficient. — JFG talk 10:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete This article fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO1E because there is only WP:ROUTINE coverage of him that fails to demonstrate notability and there is no notability guideline that living longer then most is notable. The content of the article is just basic info about moves, employment, and family. He lived. He avoided the Reaper longer then most. He died. Pure case of WP:NOPAGE. His age, life dates, and nationality are already recorded on two different lists, where they are easier to view, so this permanent WP:PERMASTUB is not needed. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:13, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nomination. All routine coverage, best to handle the relevant statistics on a list. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 01:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG, WP:NOPAGE and WP:PERMASTUB would apply anyway. The three references are from New York based articles which is local coverage because he retired to the area. Let's look. The first is a WP:ROUTINE obituary. The second I believe is a WP:PRIMARY source as it's an article from the Juniper Park Association which he volunteered at for 60 years. The third is another local article that tells us he's "probably the oldest in the city" (key word is bolded). Even if these sources somehow made him "notable", this article cannot (and most likely will not) be expanded beyond born, moved to France/US, worked, got married and had a daughter and then died. So better handled on a list. CommanderLinx (talk) 12:02, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep In depth coverage from his 104th birthday on ('Big Town, Big Heart - Celebrating New Yorkers who make a difference', hosted by NY Mayor Bloomberg in Times Square at the launch of an anti-litter campaign, and presented by the White House volunteer service organisation director with a President's Volunteer Service Award). RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:04, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That doesn't help with notability. It's local coverage because he retired to New York. CommanderLinx (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


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